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02-13-2017, 02:48 PM
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Easily Toews.

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02-13-2017, 02:53 PM
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02-13-2017, 02:54 PM
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02-13-2017, 02:55 PM
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Eichel is not overrated, Matthews is somewhat, though far far from being "most" overrated. The hype about him was taken just a smidge too far imo.
Eichel was overrated when he was outproduced by Matthews at every comparable level and still deemed better. That last all the way up until the World Cup when that opinion started to change and now you have Matthews have a better rookie season as well.

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02-13-2017, 02:56 PM
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Who cares about last year?

Uh by the way he's not significantly out scoring eichel in his rookie season, he is but not significantly.

So far Eichel has been better then Matthews at everything except rookie goal total which he has just one more. Sure he should finish probably with five to ten more but let's just wait and see How many he ends up with.

leaf fans are going to look really foolish when they see eichel blossom into a top five forward while marner hangs a rung or two or three below him.
You're comparing Eichel to Matthews...This is Matthews' rookie year so it only makes sense to compare him to Eichel's rookie year...which was last year.

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02-13-2017, 02:56 PM
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02-13-2017, 02:58 PM
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I was just joking around.

You know the same sort of hyperbole leaf fans do when saying nylander is better then eichel.

The leafs do not have a player better then jack eichel. Not one. I'd also take Sam Reinhart over every leaf.

Most experts say Reinharts hockey iq is among the best in the world and it's slowly transitioning on the ice..


Marner is on ROR's level but not as good enough on a two way level.
Sure...that's it

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02-13-2017, 02:59 PM
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02-13-2017, 03:41 PM
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He doesn't even play the biggest minutes for his team and they keep calling him a #1.

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Eichel
Reinhart
Ristolainen
Laine
Scheifele
Ehlers
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
McDavid
Draisaitl
Puljujarvi
Gaudreau
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Monahan

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It's funny because I think Risto is actually underrated and stats people who probably don't know a **** about the game itself say he's real bad and that's when the guys who actually watch the games give response to these subhuman beings. That's how you get him overrated, bash him because his team sucks and then you get responses that he might actually be good. Then you must think that because people who correct these subhuman statsguy beings he is just talked about being crazy good but don't actually look at the discussion.

This was also a shoutout to the statsguys, so shall you burn in hell


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02-13-2017, 03:45 PM
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Iginla when he was on the Flames. Also Rick Nash.
What year is this? If anything, Nash is underrated at this point, most thinking he's an overpaid bum, when he's actually a great two way forward who happens to be overpaid.

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The hypocrisy of Lundqvist fans calling Price overrated because he was expected to win championships and be the best goalie of a generation after winning a Vezina and MVP.

Price and Luongo are better goalies than Lundqvist this season and they are less of a cap hit.
Who said anything about championships?

I said the Canadian media hyped Carey Price to be the best goalie before he was, so then when he actually reached that point and was legitimately the best, their heads exploded and they started prematurely talking about him as an all time great and Hall of Famer. Jose Theodore also has a Vezina and Hart trophy. I think Price is 10x the goalie JT ever was, and wholeheartedly deserved his awards, he had one of the most dominant seasons a goalie has had. I just think the idea that he was the best player in the league and one of the best goalies ever, which are things the Candian media was churning out in droves over the past 2 years, were a little much.

None of this is a slight on Price, more on the way the Canadian media reacted to him. He had a solid rookie season and from then on it's like they were just bursting at the seams waiting to have the chance to declare him the best, then he gave them the opportunity with his dominant MVP season and they all exploded and maybe just took it too far. He's still a top 5 goalie in the league, but maybe them expecting him to be 2015 Price every year for the next 6 years or something was misguided.

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02-13-2017, 04:00 PM
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What year is this? If anything, Nash is underrated at this point, most thinking he's an overpaid bum, when he's actually a great two way forward who happens to be overpaid.



Who said anything about championships?

I said the Canadian media hyped Carey Price to be the best goalie before he was, so then when he actually reached that point and was legitimately the best, their heads exploded and they started prematurely talking about him as an all time great and Hall of Famer. Jose Theodore also has a Vezina and Hart trophy. I think Price is 10x the goalie JT ever was, and wholeheartedly deserved his awards, he had one of the most dominant seasons a goalie has had. I just think the idea that he was the best player in the league and one of the best goalies ever, which are things the Candian media was churning out in droves over the past 2 years, were a little much.

None of this is a slight on Price, more on the way the Canadian media reacted to him. He had a solid rookie season and from then on it's like they were just bursting at the seams waiting to have the chance to declare him the best, then he gave them the opportunity with his dominant MVP season and they all exploded and maybe just took it too far. He's still a top 5 goalie in the league, but maybe them expecting him to be 2015 Price every year for the next 6 years or something was misguided.
In fairness, our media values how players perform representing Team Canada very highly (this why Toews, right or wrong gets lots of praise).

The last 16 games Price has played representing Canada:
16-0
1.05 GAA
0.962 Save %
5 shutouts

In the biggest moments representing his nation, he hasn't faltered. Stepping up when everything is on the line is something highly valued (yes, he was surrounded with a phenomenal team, but he also hasn't stumbled and brought his best for his country when everything has been on the line).

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02-13-2017, 04:15 PM
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02-13-2017, 04:16 PM
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02-13-2017, 04:32 PM
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Morgan Rielly

He doesn't even play the biggest minutes for his team and they keep calling him a #1.


Rielly plays an average of 12 seconds per game less than Zaitsev. However, he plays an average of one shift more per game, however Rielly takes shorter shifts. Additionally, Rielly gets less PP time than Zaitsev has. His PP time is trending up, as Babcock has put Rielly in as a defensive specific role starting with virtually no PP time last year. Their ES ice time is basically identical


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02-13-2017, 04:40 PM
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Hes had a bad slump in season and now all of a sudden hes overratted? what does that say about every other nhl player in the league?
It has nothing to do with his current slump. Ive claimed he was, or at least at the time could be, overrated, since his second year in the league. How can the 'clearcut best in the world' have spent 9 years in the league with such bad playoff stats, and so average regular season stats, not be overrated. Jesus Price.

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02-13-2017, 04:44 PM
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It has nothing to do with his current slump. Ive claimed he was, or at least at the time could be, overrated, since his second year in the league. How can the 'clearcut best in the world' have spent 9 years in the league with such bad playoff stats, and so average regular season stats, not be overrated. Jesus Price.
You just need to point to the fact that people saw him as the best goalie last season even though he barely played over 10 games to prove he is overrated.

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02-13-2017, 04:46 PM
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In fairness, our media values how players perform representing Team Canada very highly (this why Toews, right or wrong gets lots of praise).

The last 16 games Price has played representing Canada:
16-0
1.05 GAA
0.962 Save %
5 shutouts

In the biggest moments representing his nation, he hasn't faltered. Stepping up when everything is on the line is something highly valued (yes, he was surrounded with a phenomenal team, but he also hasn't stumbled and brought his best for his country when everything has been on the line).
Toews captained his team to two stanely cups, price hasnt made it past second round. And junior stats are irrelevant to what im saying.

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02-13-2017, 04:47 PM
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Easily Toews.
$10.5mn per year is tough to stomach. That's partly on the Hawks ownership for giving both Kane and Toews the money before fully understanding the moves of the salary cap. I don't think anyone would have a problem with Toews at $8mn per ... especially due to his post season performance.

However, I do think Toews is far too scrutinized just because of his contract. The guy is a leader and winner. The pendulum has swung far too much to the other side. When EVERYONE knows Toews is OVERPAID and imbeciles continue to harp on it, then it becomes overkill and narratives are often fictionalized and pushed.

The one good thing from the Toews / Kane and other ridiculous contracts from the Blackhawks ... they developed a reputation for taking care of their players. It goes a long way when FAs look for a place to play ... or players taking bridge deals to reap the benefits later.

There's a reason why the Hawks organization is a very close knit one.

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Eichel is not overrated, Matthews is somewhat, though far far from being "most" overrated. The hype about him was taken just a smidge too far imo.
No Eichel is overrated 100%

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02-13-2017, 05:05 PM
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02-13-2017, 05:17 PM
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Carey Price, best player in the world !!! Look at his playoff stats I mean how can you not considere him the best of the best ?!?! But seriously he's really a good goalie but not the best ! Top 10 in regular season sure, but not even top 20 in playoff.

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Considering the posts on him of late, I would say the opposite. He is starting to be seriously underrated on this message board atleast. I don't think he is by NHL coahes and GM's though.
This season and last season, Toews hasn't played up to his previous standards.

But I agree that many people seem to undervalue his contributions to the Hawks during his first eight seasons. I'd rate him as having been a slightly more valuable player than Kane prior to last season.

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02-13-2017, 05:51 PM
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Toews captained his team to two stanely cups, price hasnt made it past second round. And junior stats are irrelevant to what im saying.
Wrong again. Price made it to the 3rd round against the Rangers a couple of seasons ago.

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