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02-15-2017, 12:31 PM
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To be fair, Vesey and Skjei were both healthy scratched this season and Buch wasn't.

Though it is really frustrating for AV to not give him any extended chances to stay in the top 9.

But Buch was really bad Monday night in a game where AV started him with Nash-Zibanejad. So it's not like it's out of nowhere. Hopefully he can watch from up top and get motivated and draw back in next game.

I wish Puempel could play center, I like his game better than Oscar's.
When was Vesey a healthy scratch? I know he missed a game for an upper-body injury, but he's been in the lineup every game he's been healthy enough to be in the lineup.

I think people are reading into my posts conclusions that aren't there.

In summary:

I'm thrilled that AV is willing to continue giving Vesey all these chances.

I just want him to do the same for PB.

That's all.

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I think we went 6-0 against them in 2003-04. Last year was frustrating. This would be a nice win there.
We were . I will never forget Mike Peca whining on a post game about us going 6-0 against the Isles and yet losing to a team that the Islanders were fighting for playoff position with (I think Toronto).

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maybe AV doesn't want Buch to skate on the soft ice and re-aggravate his back
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Team is top 5 in the NHL and you're upset that it's no longer considered a transition year? Nobody called it that other than posters on hf.

Having said that The kids have been given every opportunity. Buch started the game in the top 6 and was so bad he was a liability even on the 4th line.

Matt Puempel is what 23? He's played very well why should he not get a shot when Buch plays a game that badly?
It happens. Buch was awful last game. Absolutely awful. In my opinion, Buch's worst game (Columbus) was significantly worse than Veseys worst game. I am not too upset about him being a scratch.

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This "transition year" shtick this board kept trying to sell us on looks less and less fruitful every game.

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Vesey has never been a liability defensively though and that's the big thing with AV can he trust you.

Literally every time Buch was on the ice Monday night we were in trouble.

Rookies have to earn it. Miller certainly did. Hayes was sat many times even last year. Buchnevich shouldn't be babied any more than anyone else

And again you've got an interesting player in Puempel that has proven he can play. He's just a kid too. If we had a spot for him he'd play every night

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Vesey has never been a liability defensively though and that's the big thing with AV can he trust you.

Literally every time Buch was on the ice Monday night we were in trouble.

Rookies have to earn it. Miller certainly did. Hayes was sat many times even last year. Buchnevich shouldn't be babied any more than anyone else

And again you've got an interesting player in Puempel that has proven he can play. He's just a kid too. If we had a spot for him he'd play every night
Monday's game was Buch's worst game as a Ranger.

I am fine with him sitting. He's a rookie. This is how you handle a rookie.

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Id rather PB play but its not the end of the world to have him watch a game and light some extra fire in him.
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Did anyone watch Buchnevich without their rose colored glasses on? He was a liability out there against Columbus. Hard to blame AV here. Kid is a rookie he can use a few nights off to watch and learn.
All of this. Yes.

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Monday's game was Buch's worst game as a Ranger.

I am fine with him sitting. He's a rookie. This is how you handle a rookie.
This is how AV handles this rookie.

This is not how AV handles all rookies.

This is AV making the team worse for a game.

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This is how AV handles this rookie.

This is not how AV handles all rookies.

This is AV making the team worse for a game.
I'm not sure I remotely agree with the bold. Buch was bad enough that I thought he hurt us quite a bit.

Also, what other rookies were as bad as he was defensively? I've never seen Vesey play like a poached turd on the defensive side. At least the effort has always been there. Buch looked like vintage Columbus Nikita Filatov defensively. No effort and no clue.

I think it's a one-time thing since I don't see any trend in that regard. But this is the proper move if he sits him.

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Vesey has never been a liability defensively
He had a two month stretch of having the worst goal and possession effects in the NHL.

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You have to teach these kids the right way to play or they become the oilers and islanders of the pst decade. No defense just doing what they want out there zero direction.

Puppy pees on the rug you don't just keep letting him do it. He goes in the crate. You don't just keep letting him do it and hope he figures out not to.

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He had a two month stretch of having the worst goal and possession effects in the NHL.
Was never a liability out there. We also weren't healthy like we are now that we could just start pulling guys from the lineup

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As long as Buch doesn't become a consistent scratch, I can live with this.

Either way, we need him going into the playoffs to be confident and playing well. He can be an x-factor.

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This is how AV handles this rookie.

This is not how AV handles all rookies.

This is AV making the team worse for a game.
This is a learning process for PB. He will get a different view from up top. It will make him realize that he has to play hard. AV benched Zooks for a game early in 2014 and then Zooks went on to lead the team in scoring that season.

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Was never a liability out there.
So having extreme negative effects on the team's goal scoring/suppression and possession/suppression is somehow not a liability?

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We also weren't healthy like we are now that we could just start pulling guys from the lineup
True.

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I'm not sure I remotely agree with the bold. Buch was bad enough that I thought he hurt us quite a bit.

Also, what other rookies were as bad as he was defensively? I've never seen Vesey play like a poached turd on the defensive side. At least the effort has always been there. Buch looked like vintage Columbus Nikita Filatov defensively. No effort and no clue.

I think it's a one-time thing since I don't see any trend in that regard. But this is the proper move if he sits him.
Vesey has had his share of absolute **** defensive games.

He had a game this year when his shot attempts against per 60 was 140! He's had three games this year when his GA60 was over 15.

In only 10 of his 56 games has Vesey been on the ice for more 5v5 goals for than goals against.

29/54 games Vesey was out-attempted.

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Vesey did not pee on the rug.

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This is a learning process for PB. He will get a different view from up top. It will make him realize that he has to play hard. AV benched Zooks for a game early in 2014 and then Zooks went on to lead the team in scoring that season.
This likely has a lot more to do with the fact that Zuccarello is really good, and much less to do with the fact that AV benched him.

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Was never a liability out there. We also weren't healthy like we are now that we could just start pulling guys from the lineup
Good point.

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The only thing I don't get is that Vesey had been struggling for quite a while now and still got fed consistent 2nd line minutes, whereas Buch was struggling for much shorter time and gets scratched the moment he had an outwardly poor game. The leashes are different lengths.

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You have to teach these kids the right way to play or they become the oilers and islanders of the pst decade. No defense just doing what they want out there zero direction.

Puppy pees on the rug you don't just keep letting him do it. He goes in the crate. You don't just keep letting him do it and hope he figures out not to.
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Vesey did not pee on the rug.
The crate is supposed to be the puppy's sanctuary & home, it shouldn't be used as a jail cell or a punishment in ANY way.

The idea of the crate is that the boundaries extend over time. The crate is "home" therefor puppy won't pee/poop there. Eventually Kitchen is home (or bathroom or gated room, etc.). Then floor is home. Then the house is home. Then ALL houses are homes.

The puppy should be lightly shaken by the nape of neck and told "No." sternly but not aggressively. Then brought outside and praised if he/she pees.

Either way, Buch should NOT be crated.

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The only thing I don't get is that Vesey had been struggling for quite a while now and still got fed consistent 2nd line minutes, whereas Buch was struggling for much shorter time and gets scratched the moment he had an outwardly poor game. The leashes are different lengths.
Yes, thank you. This is my frustration.

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I'm indifferent to Buch being scratched for a single game. If this goes on for several consecutive games, then we have issues.

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Vesey has had his share of absolute **** defensive games.

He had a game this year when his shot attempts against per 60 was 140! He's had three games this year when his GA60 was over 15.

In only 10 of his 56 games has Vesey been on the ice for more 5v5 goals for than goals against.

29/54 games Vesey was out-attempted.
I have never seen him play a game where he didn't put in effort, though. I think that's primarily what happened with Buch.

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Maybe cause Buch doesn't speak english AV has to bop him on the nose in the middle of a bad act in order for Buch to get the message

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