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Peter Forsberg: McDavid is better at everything than I was

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02-16-2017, 03:59 AM
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We'll never know how Forsberg would do in today's NHL without the clutch and grab (and the resulting injuries). Or, how would McDavid do in the 90's getting slashed and hooked to no end.
Maybe they do better, maybe they would do worse. Who cares?

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02-16-2017, 04:04 AM
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There are some things where McDavid is clearly better, and a lot of things like passing and IQ you can argue he's better, but there are things like puck protection where he's obviously not.

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02-16-2017, 04:14 AM
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Yeah saying McDavid is better at EVERYTHING is not really true. Forsberg being modest again.. for example Foppa's cycle game and puck protection were ahead, he was a more physical player too.

Of course there's every chance that McDavid will still develop in these areas of his game.
Obviously McDavid is an exceptional player and a talent, would be foolish to deny this.

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02-16-2017, 04:25 AM
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McDavid is the best player to be drafted since Mario Lemieux so I can understand why Forsberg would say that. If he's wrong, it's not by much. McDavid is unbelievable. Crazy to think he's just barely 20 years old.
Forsberg easily had a better cycle game, physicality and puck protection. Foppa was incredible in his prime and when he wasnt injured. A master of the reverse hit!

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02-16-2017, 04:35 AM
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McDavid once told me that Peter Forsberg told him that Simon Gagne was the purest shooter he'd ever played with
WarriorOfGandhi once told me that McDavid once told him that Peter Forsberg told him that Simon Gagne was the purest shooter he'd ever played with.

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02-16-2017, 06:06 AM
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mcDavid is better rn than Forsberg was in his prime imo.

Very honest assessment by Foppa


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02-16-2017, 06:17 AM
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He is just being modest. Forsberg was beast.

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02-16-2017, 07:08 AM
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Forsberg was awesome, but let's recall he was about 21.5 years old when he first laced 'em up in the NHL. He also joined a team-on-the-rise with Joe Sakic, Owen Nolan, Valeri Kamensky, Wendel Clark. He scored 50 points in 47 games, which was fantastic for a rookie; and, in that short (48-game) season, a lot of players' scoring stats were way down, so it was doubly impressive.

But let's compare, so far: McDavid has been scoring for 100 games or so at the same rate (slightly higher, actually) than Forsberg as a rookie, when Forsberg was already more than a year older than McDavid now. And McDavid joined a last-overall team that doesn't exactly have a Joe Sakic-type to cushion the scoring for him.

Forsberg went crazy in his 2nd year (first year of the Avalanche) with 116 points, albeit that was only 5th in the NHL then. He was 22 years old.

So, it's indeed possible that Forsberg will still end up the better player than McDavid, but I don't think we've seen the best of McDavid yet. Let's wait until he's 23 or so to make a fairer comparison.

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02-16-2017, 07:15 AM
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I bet even he doesn't believe that.
Could you imagine the backlash a player would get if they said they were better?
Imagine if Stammer, Gretzky, or Forsberg all said they were better than Connor. How would that affect their public image? they'd get destroyed, especially in this sensitive hockey world.

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02-16-2017, 07:20 AM
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So McDavid is the goat since Wayne said Forsberg was better and Forsberg said McDavid is better. No more reliable sources than that, it's decided.

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02-16-2017, 07:29 AM
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Players traditionally downplay themselves when talking about a fellow hockey player but i would take Forsberg, at least so far.

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02-16-2017, 07:37 AM
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he's no anton babchuk

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These are the biggest compliments that guys like this can give, Forsberg and Stamkos both said McDavid is better than him, clearly that's a compliment the kid is only 20.

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02-16-2017, 09:32 AM
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Not everything. Forsberg was much better at diving.

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02-16-2017, 09:50 AM
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Is it just me or did Forsberg beef up significantly during the second part of his career, looking all around more forceful? Connor could put on more weight without really losing much speed, and he's already a top 3 player in the world. I wonder if he will take a similar route, workout wise.

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We'll never know how Forsberg would do in today's NHL without the clutch and grab (and the resulting injuries). Or, how would McDavid do in the 90's getting slashed and hooked to no end.
Watch an Oiler game This happens to McDavid to no end

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02-16-2017, 09:59 AM
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I would say physicality and puck protection. Not much else but they are significant. If McDavid makes half the difference up as he matures he will be fine in those departments.

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Unusual comment considering they are two completely different players. But in the sense that Forsberg thinks McDavid will end up being a better player than he was, I think that is a very honest and valid statement.

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02-16-2017, 10:23 AM
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Sometimes I wish hockey players weren't so modest. Skating, stickhandling, sure. I could see vision as well. But McDavid has nowhere near Forsberg's cycling game. He might eventually though.
At least there's Patrik Laine. "From a chance like that I will score 99 times out of 100. The stick will break once."

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02-16-2017, 10:26 AM
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I am curious to see how McDavid's game develops once he ages a bit and loses the 2 steps he has on everyone else from his blazing speed (very rare in today's NHL where everyone is very fast just to get there).

Guys like Forsberg whose game was strength and stick more than speed generally have better longevity because they still win the board/corner battles and come out with the puck well into their 30s (think also Jagr, Crosby, Thorton, Radulov, etc.).

I'm not saying McDavid can't make the adjustment, but there will need to be one because he won't be casually blowing by most NHL D-men with raw speed 5 years from now.

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is peter forsberg the new gretzky?

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We'll never know how Forsberg would do in today's NHL without the clutch and grab (and the resulting injuries). Or, how would McDavid do in the 90's getting slashed and hooked to no end.
He does get slashed and hooked to no end.

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Forsberg is one of my favourite players of all time, that guy could hold on to the puck like nobodys business.

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I am curious to see how McDavid's game develops once he ages a bit and loses the 2 steps he has on everyone else from his blazing speed (very rare in today's NHL where everyone is very fast just to get there).

Guys like Forsberg whose game was strength and stick more than speed generally have better longevity because they still win the board/corner battles and come out with the puck well into their 30s (think also Jagr, Crosby, Thorton, Radulov, etc.).

I'm not saying McDavid can't make the adjustment, but there will need to be one because he won't be casually blowing by most NHL D-men with raw speed 5 years from now.
Wait, why would he lose 2 steps at 25?

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That's about as sensical as that time when Gretzky said Forsberg was the best player he saw.

Of course McDavid is better than Forsberg at lots of things... Just not at everything.

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