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Peter Forsberg: McDavid is better at everything than I was

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02-16-2017, 10:50 AM
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This is practically Wayne Gretzky material.

Forsberg had the physical edge to his game, was better defensively, and was better at slowing the game down than McDavid is at this point in time.
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02-16-2017, 10:51 AM
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There's a reason these former superstars are commenting on McDavids skills: They've never seen anything like it .

It's scary , in a way.

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02-16-2017, 10:53 AM
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There's a reason these former superstars are commenting on McDavids skills. They've never seen anything like it .

It's scary , in a way.
Maybe we should rename all the trophies to McDavid related and give him his own HHOF.

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I am curious to see how McDavid's game develops once he ages a bit and loses the 2 steps he has on everyone else from his blazing speed (very rare in today's NHL where everyone is very fast just to get there).

Guys like Forsberg whose game was strength and stick more than speed generally have better longevity because they still win the board/corner battles and come out with the puck well into their 30s (think also Jagr, Crosby, Thorton, Radulov, etc.).

I'm not saying McDavid can't make the adjustment, but there will need to be one because he won't be casually blowing by most NHL D-men with raw speed 5 years from now.
Didn't Mike Gartner break the fastest skater record when he was like 35+? Not all players slow down and lose their speed.... There are exceptions.

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All of these old timers can talk and talk but it all means nothing until someone makes a HFBoards thread about it.

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McDavid is the best player to be drafted since Mario Lemieux so I can understand why Forsberg would say that. If he's wrong, it's not by much. McDavid is unbelievable. Crazy to think he's just barely 20 years old.
Crosby was better than McDavid at age 20 and he's still better at age 30.

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Maybe we should rename all the trophies to McDavid related and give him his own HHOF.
Id rather name them McJesus but to each his own

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Maybe we should rename all the trophies to McDavid related and give him his own HHOF.
Huh? This sentence doesn't even make sense.

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02-16-2017, 11:13 AM
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Huh? This sentence doesn't even make sense.
Art Ross changed to McDavid Scoring title
Calder changed to McDavid Rookie of the year

See...

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02-16-2017, 11:15 AM
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Art Ross changed to McDavid Scoring title
Calder changed to McDavid Rookie of the year

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The form of your sentence was awkward AF.

Sorry, this is a thread about a non-Leaf player, there are plenty else out there. No need for petulance.

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02-16-2017, 11:22 AM
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This place should be re-named HForsboard.

I don't understand the reverence Foppa gets on here. Great player, sure, but he gets talked up like an all-time great, because of "what could have been" with injuries.

Lindros is the real "what could have been" from that era. Far more dominant player when healthy.

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Wayne Gretzky said that Peter Forsberg is the greatest player he ever saw giving compliments to other players.
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Listening to Forsberg comment on himself, you'd think he had beer league talent and never played a decent hockey game in his life.
Just the kind of person he is. I remember an account from him in pee-wee hockey, and he was crying because his team lost 8-7. His dad asked him how many goals he scored: "7." For a guy who could punish you every way on the ice Forsberg has always been humble about his talent.

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Is it just me or did Forsberg beef up significantly during the second part of his career, looking all around more forceful? Connor could put on more weight without really losing much speed, and he's already a top 3 player in the world. I wonder if he will take a similar route, workout wise.
This is what I was going to say as well. Forsberg seemed lankier when he started out, and he took over games in a much different way as he became more physically dominant. He has the physical edge over McDavid so far, for sure.

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02-16-2017, 11:27 AM
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This place should be re-named HForsboard.

I don't understand the reverence Foppa gets on here. Great player, sure, but he gets talked up like an all-time great, because of "what could have been" with injuries.

Lindros is the real "what could have been" from that era. Far more dominant player when healthy.
Agreed.

I was about to post similar thoughts, but now I don't need to.

Also, Forsberg is overrated. And I followed his entire career. Got to play on a stacked team, people rate him how he played at his best, plus those intangible attributes of tenacity etc. He was Jonathan Toews before there was a Jonathan Toews.

Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, Jagr were better. But somehow he gets ranked together with that group.

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maybe he sees mcdavids skating style and how he handles the puck and wishes he was taught how to play the game like that?

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Agreed.

I was about to post similar thoughts, but now I don't need to.

Also, Forsberg is overrated. And I followed his entire career. Got to play on a stacked team, people rate him how he played at his best, plus those intangible attributes of tenacity etc. He was Jonathan Toews before there was a Jonathan Toews.

Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, Jagr were better. But somehow he gets ranked together with that group.
Could have something to do with having a career PPG ranked around that group.



Lindros might be mentioned in the same category with the rest if his career hadn't ended with all the impact of a wet fart.

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02-16-2017, 11:47 AM
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Agree that Peter Forsberg was a lot like Crosby. Qualities they share(d)
- Strong like mule
- Impossible to knock off puck
- Elite passing and vision

Crosby is a better goal scorer.

Forsberg was more physical.

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02-16-2017, 11:59 AM
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Agreed.

I was about to post similar thoughts, but now I don't need to.

Also, Forsberg is overrated. And I followed his entire career. Got to play on a stacked team, people rate him how he played at his best, plus those intangible attributes of tenacity etc. He was Jonathan Toews before there was a Jonathan Toews.

Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, Jagr were better. But somehow he gets ranked together with that group.

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02-16-2017, 12:01 PM
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Forsberg was harder to get away from the puck, especially down low. I can see everything else though.

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02-16-2017, 12:02 PM
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Agree that Peter Forsberg was a lot like Crosby. Qualities they share(d)
- Strong like mule
- Impossible to knock off puck
- Elite passing and vision

Crosby is a better goal scorer.

Forsberg was more physical.
Gretzky only had elite passing and vision. Still the GOAT

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Agreed.

I was about to post similar thoughts, but now I don't need to.

Also, Forsberg is overrated. And I followed his entire career. Got to play on a stacked team, people rate him how he played at his best, plus those intangible attributes of tenacity etc. He was Jonathan Toews before there was a Jonathan Toews.

Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, Jagr were better. But somehow he gets ranked together with that group.
Hardly anyone ranks him with Gretzky or Mario. Jagr's longevity has probably gotten him away from those discussions as well. Lindros though? Aside from 2 years, you're damn right Forsberg was comparable to Lindros.

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I actually think Forsberg might have had better vision than McDavid, but its close. McDavid creates so much just off of pure speed, whereas Forsberg played it more like chess.

The difference in physicality is way too big to ignore. Just classify this one as a legend being overly complimentary and self-depreciating. Both are notable for their most notable flaw (or lesser skill) is their shot.

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Gretzky only had elite passing and vision. Still the GOAT
That's just untrue.

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That's just untrue.
Elite birth year?

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Agreed.

I was about to post similar thoughts, but now I don't need to.

Also, Forsberg is overrated. And I followed his entire career. Got to play on a stacked team, people rate him how he played at his best, plus those intangible attributes of tenacity etc. He was Jonathan Toews before there was a Jonathan Toews.

Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, Jagr were better. But somehow he gets ranked together with that group.
No one ranks him with Gretzky and Mario. Only people who are generally in that discussion are Orr and Howe. With people occasionally bringing up Bobby Hull, Richard and Beliveau. I would think most actually put Forsberg behind Sakic and Yzerman of centers of that era, and on-par with Fedorov. At least that is how I view it. He does go ahead of guys like Sundin, Gilmour, Modano, Francis, and Oates though.

Forsberg won at Art Ross and a Hart Trophy. Toews has never finished as a Hart Finalist and anywhere close to being an Art Ross guy. When Oates, Yzerman, and Gretzky were starting to become shadow's of their former selves in the late 90's and early 2000's, Forsberg was the best playmaker/passer in the entire league. He mixed that with a tenacity that was rarely seen in playmakers previously and since. The only other playmaker near that level who played with that type of grit was Dougie.

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Agreed.

I was about to post similar thoughts, but now I don't need to.

Also, Forsberg is overrated. And I followed his entire career. Got to play on a stacked team, people rate him how he played at his best, plus those intangible attributes of tenacity etc. He was Jonathan Toews before there was a Jonathan Toews.

Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, Jagr were better. But somehow he gets ranked together with that group.
That's not a group.

Gretzky and Lemieux are in a group with Howe and Orr. There's a gap after the Big 4.

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