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Peter Forsberg: McDavid is better at everything than I was

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02-16-2017, 01:36 PM
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Woah, that's one ringing endorsement. Love Foppa, so I refuse to agree by principle - but McDavid is amazing. Can't imagine not appreciating his talent, regardless of team affiliation.

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02-16-2017, 01:48 PM
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We'll never know how Forsberg would do in today's NHL without the clutch and grab (and the resulting injuries). Or, how would McDavid do in the 90's getting slashed and hooked to no end.
I leave this gem of a video in here for those that don't remember the clutch and grab days! It is hilarious how much they got away with in those days.


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Gretzky only had elite passing and vision. Still the GOAT
From someone who watched him his whole career His agilty was probably the goat his shot was deadly accurate as well.

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McDavid once told me that Peter Forsberg told him that Simon Gagne was the purest shooter he'd ever played with

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Gretzky only had elite passing and vision. Still the GOAT
And somehow managed to score almost 900 goals.

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And somehow managed to score almost 900 goals.
#AlternateFacts

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I mean the only defensive aspect I see that's amazing about McDavid is the same defensive aspect I've seen in Toews and Datsyuk, but McDavid does it quicker and better.

But McDavid doesn't hit, but he does get through traffic in a better non-physical way.

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02-16-2017, 02:49 PM
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That's not a group.

Gretzky and Lemieux are in a group with Howe and Orr. There's a gap after the Big 4.
5 with Sidney Crosby just about to join them.

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5 with Sidney Crosby just about to join them.
With a little more hardware and 1500-1700+ points, I have Crosby locking in number 5.

He's already done something unprecedented captaining a team to: Lord Stanley (x2), Olympic Gold, IIHF World Championship Gold, and World Cup Gold.

He could foreseeably captain another Team Canada to Gold in 2018 if the NHLers go. Should easily be able to rack up another IIHF Gold as captain. Win another World Cup gold as captain, he'll do something unprecedented twice.

Crosby gets those 8 championships as captain and gets in the 1500-1700 point range, he'll have #5 all time locked up and expand it to a big 5.

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McDavid is the greatest player to ever play the game.

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02-16-2017, 03:18 PM
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Crosby gets those 8 championships as captain and gets in the 1500-1700 point range, he'll have #5 all time locked up and expand it to a big 5.
Uh, the big 4 didn't make it a big 4 by being pure compilers and winning lots of team awards.

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Uh, the big 4 didn't make it a big 4 by being pure compilers and winning lots of team awards.
That level of unprecedented accomplishments could push the conversation. Even if it remains the Big 4, Crosby will have a very good argument securing #5 over Hull/Beliveau/Morenz/Shore/Richard.

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02-16-2017, 03:23 PM
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That level of unprecedented accomplishments could push the conversation. Even if it remains the Big 4, Crosby will have a very good argument securing #5 over Hull/Beliveau/Morenz/Shore/Richard.
Perhaps, but being born into an era of unquestioned Canadian dominance is the kind of thing that people usually use against historical individual rankings (with some exceptions), or at least remain completely neutral about.

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does he have better loose puck recoveries tho

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Perhaps, but being born into an era of unquestioned Canadian dominance is the kind of thing that people usually use against historical individual rankings (with some exceptions), or at least remain completely neutral about.
Whether it's right or wrong, doing something unprecedented like that will carry weight. It won't be solely why he could secure #5, but it can push it over others. Beliveau's team accomplishment's certainly added to his legacy.

Outside of team accomplishments, Crosby will need to have a damn good back half to his career individually. He still needs to put up the numbers and individual awards, his individual accomplishments will obviously carry more weight.

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Sometimes I wish hockey players weren't so modest. Skating, stickhandling, sure. I could see vision as well. But McDavid has nowhere near Forsberg's cycling game. He might eventually though.
When you have those kind of rare hands, you don't need the cycle game. Forsberg had great puck skills, but he was not among the best, it's just that he was so strong on his feet, had supreme vision and passing abilities along with grit, all those skills combined made him a superstar.

McDavid's hands and skating are obviously on another planet, I would say the playmaking and goalscoring is probably similar, but Foppa was more physical, then again when you have the hands and skating of McDavid, once again you don't need to throw your body around.

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This is what guys had to deal with in t he 90s

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02-16-2017, 03:47 PM
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Agreed.

I was about to post similar thoughts, but now I don't need to.

Also, Forsberg is overrated. And I followed his entire career. Got to play on a stacked team, people rate him how he played at his best, plus those intangible attributes of tenacity etc. He was Jonathan Toews before there was a Jonathan Toews.

Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, Jagr were better. But somehow he gets ranked together with that group.
These guys were better yes. Lindros not so much. Almost equal.
And that Toews comment...jeez

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When you have those kind of rare hands, you don't need the cycle game. Forsberg had great puck skills, but he was not among the best, it's just that he was so strong on his feet, had supreme vision and passing abilities along with grit, all those skills combined made him a superstar.

McDavid's hands and skating are obviously on another planet, I would say the playmaking and goalscoring is probably similar, but Foppa was more physical, then again when you have the hands and skating of McDavid, once again you don't need to throw your body around.
Pretty accurate. Although Forsberg does have some of the best dangles out there, I would say McDavid's hands are better, and quicker, much like Kane, but not significantly better overall. Forsberg could put the puck through elite defenders legs standing still and walk around them with ease, his patience and overall hockey sense were maybe better than McDavid's, but pure stickhandling McDavid is almost top 5 ever IMO, Forsberg probably not top 20 among relevant NHL players.

McDavid will never have the grit and power of Forsberg though, very few ever have. He was lankier when he first came into the league as mentioned earlier in the thread, but he could still throw the body around and protect the puck like a beast even as a rookie. That's an aspect of the game McDavid will never need though, and I would not doubt at all if he became a better player. The only flaws Forsberg had as a player were his durablity and lack of selfishness when it came to shooting the puck. His shot was better than McDavid's.

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02-16-2017, 03:50 PM
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I am curious to see how McDavid's game develops once he ages a bit and loses the 2 steps he has on everyone else from his blazing speed (very rare in today's NHL where everyone is very fast just to get there).

Guys like Forsberg whose game was strength and stick more than speed generally have better longevity because they still win the board/corner battles and come out with the puck well into their 30s (think also Jagr, Crosby, Thorton, Radulov, etc.).

I'm not saying McDavid can't make the adjustment, but there will need to be one because he won't be casually blowing by most NHL D-men with raw speed 5 years from now.
This thought has definitely crossed my mind throughout the past couple of years as well.

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These guys were better yes. Lindros not so much. Almost equal.
And that Toews comment...jeez
I would say pre-concussion Lindros is probably better than any version of Forsberg, I would also argue that Foppa was not even the best forward on his own team (Sakic was).

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Eh Foppa was definitely better at offensive zone puck control. One of it not the best ever.

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Agreed.

I was about to post similar thoughts, but now I don't need to.

Also, Forsberg is overrated. And I followed his entire career. Got to play on a stacked team, people rate him how he played at his best, plus those intangible attributes of tenacity etc. He was Jonathan Toews before there was a Jonathan Toews.

Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, Jagr were better. But somehow he gets ranked together with that group.
I don't know what's more embarrassing. Comparing Forsberg to Toews or calling Lindros, Gretzky, Mario, and Jagr a group?

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I would say pre-concussion Lindros is probably better than any version of Forsberg, I would also argue that Foppa was not even the best forward on his own team (Sakic was).
At times. But at times Forsberg was the best player on that team and on the planet. Forsberg around 02-04, when he was actually in the lineup, was one of the most initimidating opposing players I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Terrifying every time he jumped over the boards.

That guy scared me more than Sakic ever did or even mid-to-late 90s Lindros.

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I would say pre-concussion Lindros is probably better than any version of Forsberg, I would also argue that Foppa was not even the best forward on his own team (Sakic was).
All of them at their peak were pretty close, good arguments for all 3. Personally I would choose Forsberg knowing they were all healthy, Lindros a close 2nd choice. Lindros' physical dominance was something else, but offensively him and Forsberg were near equals while Forsberg was the better defensive player and playoff player. It's tough to compare playoffs between the two though considering the teams they each played on, Forsberg did play on basically a modern day dynasty.

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