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02-17-2017, 09:49 AM
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I'd much rather Palat than Landeskog.

What would you want from Boston? No Carlo. I'd be willing to give up solid prospects for him and high picks. No McAvoy or JFK though, but everything else including our 1st is on the table.

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Johnson is absolutely the one dealt if it's between him and Palat, but I disagree that Namestnikov can play 2C right now. He's been really bad this year. The whole team has been bad to be totally fair, but he's very visibly bad.

The most ideal situation would be for TB to sign Nikita Gusev. He'd slot in at 2nd line LW, and I'd put him with Point and Kuchverov on that line. Smallllllllllllllllll, but a ton of speed and skill. Kucherov and Gusev would probably click pretty well together despite not having played together in a long time.

Assuming Killorn gets picked up by Vegas, this would be absolutely perfect.
Nah, Namestnikov has been fine. The goalies have an on-ice save percentage of 90%, but at 5v5 he has a 53% CF, 53% Scoring Chances for %, and is even on the 5v5 goal differential. The idea of his "bad play" this season is a result of the goalies not being able to make saves at an NHL average rate.



The guy pushes play at a mid six level, suppresses shots at a top line level, and impacts shot quality a smidge under top line. Namestnikov is and was never part of TB's problem, and will not be moving forward.

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02-17-2017, 10:09 AM
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I'd much rather Palat than Landeskog.

What would you want from Boston? No Carlo. I'd be willing to give up solid prospects for him and high picks. No McAvoy or JFK though, but everything else including our 1st is on the table.
I think it'd take one of Carlo or McAvoy...

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lol nah Namestnikov can slot in 2C.

Drouin-Stammer-Kuch
Palat-Namestnikov-Point
Paquette-Filp-Callahan
Erne-FA (or Stephens or Peca)-Brown

Trade Johnson for D help
Killorn claimed by Vegas
Brown and Vermin are better than Callahan.

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02-17-2017, 10:18 AM
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Brown and Vermin are better than Callahan.
I agree, but what are yu gonna do with that awful Cally contract?

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I agree, but what are yu gonna do with that awful Cally contract?
LTIR or press box.

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LTIR or press box.
Yeah if he's hurt next season (which seems inevitable) but I can't see them scratching a 6 million dollar player.

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I'd move a guy like Meier+ in a deal for Palat. I LOVE Palat. He'd be such an amazing fit with the Joes or with Couture. Is Meier of interest? He's a recent 9th overall pick who's looking good in SJ. Draft exempt too.

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Yeah if he's hurt next season (which seems inevitable) but I can't see them scratching a 6 million dollar player.
Buyout? Idk. He sucks.

Vermin is a beast.

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I'd move a guy like Meier in a deal for Palat. I LOVE Palat. He'd be such an amazing fit with the Joes or with Couture. Is Meier of interest? He's a recent 9th overall pick who's looking good in SJ. Draft exempt too.
Meier, Goldobin and Karlsson?

I'd do that.

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Meier, Goldobin and Karlsson?

I'd do that.
That's a no-go. We can afford to move one of Goldobin or Meier. Obviously Meier is the more valuable. We can't move both.

Meier + Tierney/Karlsson + 2nd?

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That's a no-go. We can afford to move one of Goldobin or Meier. Obviously Meier is the more valuable. We can't move both.
If no Goldobin, we may need Donskoi. Palat is very valuable to us.

Meier, Donskoi and Mueller for Palat and a 2nd/3rd?

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Meier + Tierney/Karlsson + 2nd?
Maybe, we might need some more value.

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LTIR or buyout.
Fixed.

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If no Goldobin, we may need Donskoi. Palat is very valuable to us.

Meier, Donskoi and Mueller for Palat and a 2nd/3rd?
Hm... I'm really torn. I'll let other people weigh in. I'm inclined to say no, but I love Donskoi and don't want to see him move so I'm fairly biased here.

I see it as:

Meier + Donskoi for Palat
Mueller for 2nd

I'm thinking it's just a little too rich, but Palat would become our best LW and it'd allow us to put Hertl at centre where he belongs.

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Maybe, we might need some more value.
I figured. Value seemed a little light there. So basically we need to find someone with value between Goldobin and a 2nd round pick to bridge the gap.

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Nah, Namestnikov has been fine. The goalies have an on-ice save percentage of 90%, but at 5v5 he has a 53% CF, 53% Scoring Chances for %, and is even on the 5v5 goal differential. The idea of his "bad play" this season is a result of the goalies not being able to make saves at an NHL average rate.



The guy pushes play at a mid six level, suppresses shots at a top line level, and impacts shot quality a smidge under top line. Namestnikov is and was never part of TB's problem, and will not be moving forward.
His advanced stats are fine but he is nowhere near the scorer that Johnson is and completely disappears in the playoffs when the game gets more physical. He's a decent depth player but is in no way suitable for a 2C role that more often than not becomes a de facto 1C position.

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Hm... I'm really torn. I'll let other people weigh in. I'm inclined to say no, but I love Donskoi and don't want to see him move so I'm fairly biased here.

I see it as:

Meier + Donskoi for Palat
Mueller for 2nd


I'm thinking it's just a little too rich, but Palat would become our best LW and it'd allow us to put Hertl at centre where he belongs.



I figured. Value seemed a little light there. So basically we need to find someone with value between Goldobin and a 2nd round pick to bridge the gap.
Mueller is worth a bit less than the 2nd, but yeah, that was my line of thinking.

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If we trade Palat it should be for a 3D who can play the right side, NOT a collection of lesser pieces.

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Mueller is worth a bit less than the 2nd, but yeah, that was my line of thinking.
Yeah, obviously valuations don't match up there perfect. Well, you and I seem like we're close on value here. Obviously I don't speak for all Sharks fans and you don't speak for all Lightning fans though. As well, I'm intrigued as to the price on Johnson. TJ is one of my top 10 favourite players, but it seems like Lightning fans are willing to move him. If we could TJ, we'd be absolutely stacked down the middle and Hertl would continue playing wing. Or Hertl to #3C and TJ to RW. Lots of options open up for us if we could acquire either one of TJ or Palat. I'm basically a closet Lightning fan... Drouin and Kucherov were two of my favourite ever prospects, Hedman and TJ are two of my absolute favourite players, Palat is an absolute stud, etc.

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If the Meier+Donskoi+Mueller trade went through

SJ lines:

Palat-Jumbo-Little Joe
Marleau-Couture-Boedker
Karlsson-Hertl-Ward
XXX-Tierney-Labanc

TB lines: (assuming Killorn to VGK, Boyle to UFA and Gusev coming over)

Drouin-Stamkos-Kucherov
Gusev-Johnson-Donskoi
Meier-Namestnikov-Point
Vermin-Filps-Brown
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Yeah, obviously valuations don't match up there perfect. Well, you and I seem like we're close on value here. Obviously I don't speak for all Sharks fans and you don't speak for all Lightning fans though. As well, I'm intrigued as to the price on Johnson. TJ is one of my top 10 favourite players, but it seems like Lightning fans are willing to move him. If we could TJ, we'd be absolutely stacked down the middle and Hertl would continue playing wing. Or Hertl to #3C and TJ to RW. Lots of options open up for us if we could acquire either one of TJ or Palat. I'm basically a closet Lightning fan... Drouin and Kucherov were two of my favourite ever prospects, Hedman and TJ are two of my absolute favourite players, Palat is an absolute stud, etc.
I'd guess Johnson's value would be close to Palat's.

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If we trade Palat it should be for a 3D who can play the right side, NOT a collection of lesser pieces.
Justin Braun is exactly that, or are you looking for someone younger?

Braun is a great #3 or decent #2 when pairing with the right guy. He's signed to a great contract. I just figured you'd want an expansion draft exempt player, which is why I suggested Meier+.

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I'd guess Johnson's value would be close to Palat's.
Damn, I was hoping it'd be less.

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Justin Braun is exactly that, or are you looking for someone younger?

Braun is a great #3 or decent #2 when pairing with the right guy. He's signed to a great contract. I just figured you'd want an expansion draft exempt player, which is why I suggested Meier+.



Damn, I was hoping it'd be less.
Braun would be interesting, but we'd need much more for Palat.

Johnson may indeed be worth a bit less than Palat, simply due to our surplus at C.

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If Tampa moves Palat/Johnson for D, they have to get a young guy. Taking nothing away from Braun, but trading a young forward like Palat or Johnson for a guy that's already 30 doesn't seem like great asset management.

Ideal would be a guy that has 1-2 seasons in the NHL under his belt and has shown that he's capable of being a strong second pairing dman.

TB is set with Hedman-Stralman and I assume one of Garrison or Coburn get moved. They'll have to slot in with whoever remains on that second pairing. You'd like it to be a guy that can work with Koekkoek as he moves his way up the depth chart.

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If Tampa moves Palat/Johnson for D, they have to get a young guy. Taking nothing away from Braun, but trading a young forward like Palat or Johnson for a guy that's already 30 doesn't seem like great asset management.

Ideal would be a guy that has 1-2 seasons in the NHL under his belt and has shown that he's capable of being a strong second pairing dman.

TB is set with Hedman-Stralman and I assume one of Garrison or Coburn get moved. They'll have to slot in with whoever remains on that second pairing. You'd like it to be a guy that can work with Koekkoek as he moves his way up the depth chart.
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