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Breaking down the Blackhawks' decisions last 7 years

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02-17-2017, 10:12 AM
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Breaking down the Blackhawks' decisions last 7 years

Starting from July 1st 2010 (after cup #1) the Blackhawks, as we all know have had to make difficult roster decisions to fit cap that have drastically shaped their future unlike any team we've seen in Shootout era... It goes without saying that their decisions can not be looked at as wrong even in hindsight considering they have piled on two more cups and are still top contenders today but just for fun lets break it all down:

6/10-traded Dustin Byfuglien and others for Jeremy Morin, Joey Crabb, Marty Reasoner, 2010 first (Kevin Hayes) and 2010 2nd
7/10- Traded Andrew Ladd for Ivan Vishnevsky? and a 2011 2nd rounder
8/10- Let Anti Niemi walk in FA to San Jose
6/11- Traded Brian Campbell for Rostislov Olesz
6/11- Traded Troy Brouwer for 2011 first round pick (phillip danault)
6/11-Traded Tomas Kopecky for a 7th rounder
7/11- Signed Frolik (3*2.3) and Patrick Sharp (5*5.8)
2/12- Acquired Johnny Oduya for a 2013 2nd and 3rd rounder (no one notable)
6/13- Traded Frolik for 2013 3rd and 5th rounders (no one notable)
9/13- Signed Crawford (6*6) and Hjalmarsson (5*4)
6/14- Traded Brandon Bollig for a 2014 3rd rd pick
7/14- Signed Kane and Toews at (8*10) a pop
11/14- Traded Nick Leddy for Ville Polkka, Anders Nillson and T.J brennan
2/15- Acquired Vermette for 2015 1st (Nick Merkley)
6/15-Traded Brandon saad for Corey Tropp,Artem Anisimov and Marko Dano
7/15- Traded Patrick Sharp for Stephen Johns, Ryan Garbutt and Trevor Daley
12/15- Daley for Scuderi
6/15-Signed Artemi Panarin (later extended in 2016)
1/16- Acquired Richard Panik for Jeremy Morin
2/16- Acquired Ladd again for 2016 1st (Rubstov) and Dano
2/16-Traded Danault for Fleischman and dale Weise
6/16- Package Tuevo Terraivanen and Bryan Bickell for 2016 2nd and 2017 3rd
6/16- Traded Andrew Shaw for 2 2016 2nd rounders (Krys and Debrincat)

*Im sure i left some out i tried to only put the ones that had a deep impact on the roster.... Pretty impressive management of course but can you imagine the roster today if they could have kept even just a couple more of the bolded names


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They've done extremely well. A lot of respect for Chicago's management.

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didnt look throught this at all but noticed it is missing Panarin

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I give Chicago a lot of credit for never becoming attached to players and their willingness to move people.

I wish the Penguins were more like that.

With that, they got darn lucky in Panarin being a monster and getting to sign Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook to those capfriendly deals. But now with the new contracts kicking, the cap will sure be felt.

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I give Chicago a lot of credit for never becoming attached to players and their willingness to move people.

I wish the Penguins were more like that.

With that, they got darn lucky in Panarin being a monster and getting to sign Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook to those capfriendly deals. But now with the new contracts kicking, the cap will sure be felt.
They couldn't afford to become to attached to more then a handful of players. Everybody knew they could content as long as they kept their core. The rest they had to sell low on because they didn't have a choice. The real impressive part is the way they found other players to surround the core with.

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Theyve made a number of good moves. As well as good drafting. IMO the only thing they should have done is sell Seabrook off in 2013-2015. He had prime value and could have landed a very good young NHL player. I think his contract will be a headache, or atleast an inconvenience for a while. It wont ruin them but they could have been better off with a young NHL player developing into a cost effective top 6 player AND use the cap to get another good player

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6/14- Traded Brandon Bollig for a 2014 3rd rd pick


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i tried to only put the ones that had a deep impact on the roster

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Nice try on Teräväinen.

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I give Chicago a lot of credit for never becoming attached to players and their willingness to move people.

I wish the Penguins were more like that.

With that, they got darn lucky in Panarin being a monster and getting to sign Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook to those capfriendly deals. But now with the new contracts kicking, the cap will sure be felt.
Come again? One of those deals is capfriendly.

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Almost perfect. Keep all the legit core guys, pay them (even overpay them), and trade the rest when they get too expensive.

Only mistakes really have been Bickell and Seabrook, though they got rid of Bickell and Seabrook was a really tough call.

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I know the option was available for every team, but did anyone benefit more from the 9+ year deals with lower cap hits than Chicago did with Keith and Hossa? Obviously you need players more or less in their primes to A) require a new contract and B) agree to said contract. It seems like several other teams who went this route had chronically injured players (Marc Savard, Johan Franzen) or used amnesty buyouts following the most recent lockout. It's obviously not the main reason for their success, but it helps quite a bit having your #1 defenseman and a top line right wing (up until recently) each making under 6 million against the cap. LA and Jeff Carter is the best example from another team that comes to mind. I guess Sidney Crosby is another player who fits the bill although his cap hit isn't as low as the players mentioned.

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I think for some reason you are missing some brilliant Bowman trades, like getting Timmonen for draft picks, or giving away Raanta (capable backup for Rangers) for nothing

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Come again? One of those deals is capfriendly.
Read the very next sentence.

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Come again? One of those deals is capfriendly.
It helps to read the entire post. Good on them for being able to circumvent the cap.

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It helps to read the entire post. Good on them for being able to circumvent the cap.
Apparently, lol.

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Add the Shaw trade.

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Should add the Richard Panik deal

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Chicago would be in deep **** if:

1) They didn't get away with circumvention with Keith and Hossa
2) They didn't luck into Panarin

However, Bowman did terrible with Seabrook, Kane and Toews, so I doubt they'll be good in 3-5 years

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I give Chicago a lot of credit for never becoming attached to players and their willingness to move people.

I wish the Penguins were more like that.

With that, they got darn lucky in Panarin being a monster and getting to sign Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook to those capfriendly deals. But now with the new contracts kicking, the cap will sure be felt.
It's not like the Penguins mgmt. made bad decisions. They've done pretty well themselves. Their problem was going offense instead of being more balanced ... which exposed them in the playoffs. Once they rectified that, they won again. It will be interesting to see if the Penguins have enough defense to do it again this year. Murray is capable of erasing those mistakes ... but it's a hard ask for a young goalie a second time. More importantly, the Metro is going to be a BEAR.

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Chicago would be in deep **** if:

1) They didn't get away with circumvention with Keith and Hossa
2) They didn't luck into Panarin

However, Bowman did terrible with Seabrook, Kane and Toews, so I doubt they'll be good in 3-5 years
If the Hawks get another 5 great/good years with this core, that's a W. That's a 12-13 year run. It's rare to have a cycle like the Pats or Spurs. Most Hawk fans would gladly take just one more Cup in 4-5 years. 2 in that time ... we'd be overcome with joy and delirium.

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I know the option was available for every team, but did anyone benefit more from the 9+ year deals with lower cap hits than Chicago did with Keith and Hossa? Obviously you need players more or less in their primes to A) require a new contract and B) agree to said contract. It seems like several other teams who went this route had chronically injured players (Marc Savard, Johan Franzen) or used amnesty buyouts following the most recent lockout. It's obviously not the main reason for their success, but it helps quite a bit having your #1 defenseman and a top line right wing (up until recently) each making under 6 million against the cap. LA and Jeff Carter is the best example from another team that comes to mind. I guess Sidney Crosby is another player who fits the bill although his cap hit isn't as low as the players mentioned.
The option was availible to all teams but not all teams had those types of players to give those contracts out to in the 2-3 seasons those contracts were getting really out of hand.

The Blackhawks definitely were extremely lucky in this regard. Perfect place and time to capitalize on these contracts.

They would have never been able to keep that core together otherwise.

Would they have less cups without those contracts? I think so.

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Didn't they have to give some players significant raises, and ended losing some players as a result, because they submited qualifying offers too late?

Maybe i'm imagining thing but I think this happened....

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Chicago would be in deep **** if:

1) They didn't get away with circumvention with Keith and Hossa
2) They didn't luck into Panarin

However, Bowman did terrible with Seabrook, Kane and Toews, so I doubt they'll be good in 3-5 years


Toews and Kane would have got 12 per if they hit UFA....

People seem not to understand that...

How often do core members of 3 time cup champion teams hit UFA?? oh yea, they don't....

Those contracts weren't bad at all....

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If the Hawks get another 5 great/good years with this core, that's a W. That's a 12-13 year run. It's rare to have a cycle like the Pats or Spurs. Most Hawk fans would gladly take just one more Cup in 4-5 years. 2 in that time ... we'd be overcome with joy and delirium.

Yep, I'm fine with it.... This core works.

I can see 2 more Cups over the next several years...

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2/16-Traded Danault for Fleischman and dale Weise
It was Danault + 2nd for them

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