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02-05-2006, 10:48 PM
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ATL/TOR Proposal

Mcabe, Kaberle, tor 2nd for Atl 1st, Mark Popovic, Colin Stuart, Scott Lehman, Dan Turple and any current Defenseman but Exelby.

Scot Lehman
Talent Analysis

Thrashers GM Don Waddell said this about Lehman at the 2004 draft:
"Scott Lehman is a good two-way defenseman that finishes his checks, plays hard. Again defense is always where everyone starts to look. We had him rated a lot higher. The plan wasn’t to take three defensemen in our first three picks, but when the player is there and you had him ranked about 20 spots higher, you couldn’t go by him."

Central Scouting Report:
"A good skater, perhaps best when moving straight ahead...a solid defenseman who seems to take pride in looking after the defensive aspect of his game...is not hesitant to leave his defensive position to move up ice in support of a rush...equally effective are his outlet passes to initiate the rush...sees the ice well...used on the power play and penalty kill, makes opponents pay the price for standing in front of his net...plays the body and can hit hard...plays the game tough."

Mark Popovic
The smooth skater is a smart, skilled puckmover and a two-way threat. He has strong offensive tools, such as a hard accurate shot and also has great leadership attributes. He can carry the puck end to end and quickly get a strong shot off. He has worked considerably on the defensive side of the game and is now much more of a complete player then he was before he was drafted. He's also gotten stronger.
Popovic could add a more physical element to his game, but either way he is a highly polished blueliner.

Colin Stuart
Stuart had a great showing at the Thrashers 2002 Prospects Camp. He was one of the best skaters on the ice, very smooth, quick, and agile. He showed a great work ethic and had some of the best hustle out there. One little thing he did very well was following up on all his shots. The only part of his game that needs some work is puckhandling. He makes good passes, but doesn't always catch them cleanly.
Central Scouting Report: "An agile skater with a quick first step and a deceptive change of direction...Good playmaker who works well in traffic...Has a very good wrist shot and is very aggressive around the opposition's net...Natural center and a clever face-off specialist...Gritty and determined player who will not be intimidated in a physical game...Unselfish and solid two-way player...Good team player who displays strong leadership qualities."

Dan Turple
Thrashers GM Don Waddell said of Turple on draft day: “Turple is a big 6’5 goalie that our guys like a lot. He takes up a lot of net. There’s not a lot of room when you’re shooting there. I watched him late in the year. He’s a 19-year-old player and you hope that his development continues. We’re very lucky to have a guy like Lehtonen, but these young goalies, you draft them and they take time. Let them finish out their junior career, turn pro and then let them take a step up.”

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02-05-2006, 10:53 PM
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I know nothing about both teams, being a Ranger fan an all, but theres no way the Thrashers throw away that many prospects for 2 impending UFA's (I know McCabe is 1, not 100% sure about Kaberle). Just isn't worth it.

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That is on the nose
two soon to be UFA's--nay pass

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I know nothing about both teams, being a Ranger fan an all, but theres no way the Thrashers throw away that many prospects for 2 impending UFA's (I know McCabe is 1, not 100% sure about Kaberle). Just isn't worth it.

Also, Toronto wouldnt deal there 2 best D-man when they are fighting for playoff position.

But that is alot of future for 2 guys who wouldnt play for you next year.

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02-05-2006, 11:31 PM
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Toronto wouldn't touch this deal. Just awful.

How can anyone say the Thrashers are giving too much of their future is completely laughable. These guys are not the Thrashers future. They're just a bunch of random prospects.

If the Thrashers have the cap room, they make this trade in a heartbeat. Without any question.

Marc Popovic- 23 year old AHL defenceman. We have enough of those. And a guy like Harrison is probably better than Popovic right now anyway.

Colin Stuart- Useless.

Any defenceman other than Exelby- Well Exelby's the only one I'd have any real interest in so there goes that. There's a few others on Atlanta that could help the Leafs. But certainly not at the cost of McCabe and Kaberle.

Scott Lehman- Marginal defence prospect. Once again, we have enough of those.

Dan Turple- A goalie prospect. Another thing we don't need.

1st round pick- Well that's an asset at least. The only real asset the Thrashers are giving up I might add. But we'd have to give up our 2nd as well apparently.

No offense, but this is quite possibly one of the worst proposals I've seen. And then having people say the Thrashers are the ones losing the deal just adds to the nonsense.

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02-06-2006, 12:04 AM
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Well aparently the leafs are having a fire sale. And if the prospects for the leafs are so good then why do they constantly have to sign free agents to fill holes instead of using their prospects. Mark Popovic would have been in the NHL if he were still in LA. And Stuart is the speedy winger that your farm system and NHL team lacks. Plus if your prospects are so good then why are they ranked 28th. Just a question. Also, the reason ATL is willing to give up so much is because we have a ton of defensemen and forward like popovic, lehman, and stuart, and Turple is our 3rd best prospect in goal, but still a very good prospect. But most importantly we want to make the playoffs and with those two we would greatly upgrade our D. Plus when the season is over they are gone and we can replace them with Corburn and our left over Dman from this year, and still be able to resign savard and lehtonen since the cap will go up aparently, and possible resign one of them.

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Also, Toronto wouldnt deal there 2 best D-man when they are fighting for playoff position.

But that is alot of future for 2 guys who wouldnt play for you next year.

enless Belfour returns to his former self--they could be in trouble

I think both Atlanta and Boston could make good late charges

and in Beantown if Thomas stays with the hot hand--whatever the BB's get for Raycroft will just add fuel to the fire

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Give your head a shake

How old are you?

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this proposal couldnt get McCabe or Kaberle separate, nevermind both of them packaged.

what a joke.

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Well aparently the leafs are having a fire sale.
Have you checked the standings? FYI The Leafs are currently #8 in the East and we are three points behind them!

This proposal is horrible as McCabe and Kaberle would gather a whole lot more. From an Atlanta standpoint we would have to include some of our top prospects to get the attention from the Leafs. I'm not willing to deal good or decent prospects.

I think that Waddell will acquire one or two players, but since the Thrashers have only around $1,500,000 left under the cap, the moves will involve lower grade players and not #1 and #2 Dman.

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This trade might work in a video game on the easiest possible mode...

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how about we send you klee for that deal

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Well if you want actual honest answers to these comments I'll give them to you....

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Well aparently the leafs are having a fire sale.
No. One poster on a message board does not make these decisions for the General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

The Leafs will be moving some players for sure, but it would take a real special deal to come along to move either Kaberle or McCabe- let alone both.

It would not take an 'even' or 'fair' deal for them to be moved. Some team would have to ante up big time. And the proposal you made isn't even close to be fair anyway.

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And if the prospects for the leafs are so good then why do they constantly have to sign free agents to fill holes instead of using their prospects.
Well this is a bit of a weird question.

I can get into a long winded explaination. But the easy answer is that their situations and decisions of the past have little bearing on the current situation. A lot has changed both with the team and the NHL in general.

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Mark Popovic would have been in the NHL if he were still in LA.
That's fine. Although he came from Anaheim not LA. But sure, I have no problem with Popovic. He may be an NHL player some day.

But we already have four rookie defencemen on the big team right now. Colaiacovo, Kronwall, Harrison and Wozniewski. Plus White and Vorobiev possibly on the way next year. Popovic is not significantly better than any of those guys.

So we're not gonna move two of the better defencemen in the league just so we can add another rookie defenceman into a mix that already includes 5 or 6 players of similar calibre.

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And Stuart is the speedy winger that your farm system and NHL team lacks.
Once again we're not moving two of the NHL's better defencemen so that we can add some speed to the Marlies. There's much easier ways of accomplishing that.

A guy like Kris Newbury on the Marlies has plenty of speed and is probably no further from the NHL then Stuart.

Like Popovic, Stuart would just be another guy to add to the mix. Nothing special. Not the kind of players you deal Kaberle and McCabe to get.

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Plus if your prospects are so good then why are they ranked 28th. Just a question.
Well this question probably doesn't deserve a response. Once again I could make a longwinded answer, but I'll just go with the easy one.

I never said our prospects are "so good". But neither are the ones you're trying to give us.

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Also, the reason ATL is willing to give up so much is because we have a ton of defensemen and forward like popovic, lehman, and stuart, and Turple is our 3rd best prospect in goal, but still a very good prospect.
Exactly. That's why this proposal is so bad.

You're trying to land our two MVPs this year and two players who will probably both finish top 15 in Norris voting. Meanwhile all you want to give up is your leftover prospects.

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But most importantly we want to make the playoffs and with those two we would greatly upgrade our D.
Of course you want to uprgrade you defence. And these two guys would certainly do it there's no question about that.

And yes you want to make the playoffs. But guess who you're trying to catch for that last playoff spot- the Leafs!

I see no reason why John Ferguson is going to hand you guys a playoff spot at our expense. That's lunacy. He would be done. The fans and media would go nuts and Ferguson would be fired. That's the truth.

Bottom line is accepting this proposal would get John Ferguson fired. I feel totally confident in saying that.

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Plus when the season is over they are gone and we can replace them with Corburn and our left over Dman from this year, and still be able to resign savard and lehtonen since the cap will go up aparently, and possible resign one of them.
Well yeah. You don't have to convince me as to why Atlanta would do the trade.

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Salary Cap.

The entire proposition is moot.

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Salary Cap.

The entire proposition is moot.
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Regardless of salary cap situations, this deal is a disaster for the Leafs. The prospects mentioned are marginal ones at best. Im not trading away our two MVP's for mediocre talent and mid round pick at best.

Because they are impending UFA's it doesn't mean they are worth nothing. When you want talent players you have to pay for them. If you are not talking Coburn or Valabik or Slater or Bourret than the Leafs are talking Kaberle or McCabe. Quantity does not equal quality.

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once again

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seriously, please close this. this thread is disgusting.

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Well how about some of their sticks and a jock strap.

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what a joke.

Thats what i was thinking

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