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03-01-2017, 05:15 PM
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Yeah, i'll take a 2018 fourth. First time ever saying this, go Bruins!
I'd sooner they crap the bed and we get a 6th...I would have thrown in Pavs and a 5th for that 6th.

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03-01-2017, 05:16 PM
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Wonder the return would have been had the Jets retained salary. Maybe a 4th? A shame that when every other team is willing to retain salary the Jets apparently refuse to do so. Wasting money on Strait and Pavelec in the minors, yet refuse to retain salary to get a better asset.
Interesting question. What is the dollar value of a 4th round pick over a 6th round pick?

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Bruins over Leafs in first round of the playoffs is something I could get behind.

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Plus he's an UFA, so Chevy could re-sign him during free agent frenzy!
As long as he immediately trades him for another 6th round pick

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Bruins over Leafs in first round of the playoffs is something I could get behind.
I would much rather see the Leafs go into a tailspin over the next month and miss the playoffs.

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Is this confirmed? I can't find this anywhere...I wish that Chevy had cut ties with Perreault as well...
1) I was leaking it, which is why you couldn't find it anywhere, but it has since been confirmed.

2) I do not. He's been performing between a 1st and elite 2nd line player in aggregate value for the Jets over the past 3 seasons despite scoring struggles. He'll start to decline (after bouncing back a bit as we are starting to see), but he's better value here than what his return would have been.

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03-01-2017, 05:42 PM
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I would much rather see the Leafs go into a tailspin over the next month and miss the playoffs.
YEP me too. Unlikely that Bost & Tor would ever end up in the first round anyway given they both are near the wild card line.

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03-01-2017, 05:51 PM
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Interesting question. What is the dollar value of a 4th round pick over a 6th round pick?
In terms of relative value, here's one example of a draft pick value chart put together by Michael Schuckers (one of the earliest hockey analytics guys):

http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/5/1/is-it...-the-nhl-draft

So anywhere from 1.9x (early 4th vs. late 6th) to 1.1x (late 4th vs. early 6th) more valuable.

In terms of the absolute dollar value of a given pick? Probably tough to determine. It'd be a good question for the actuaries out there.

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1) I was leaking it, which is why you couldn't find it anywhere, but it has since been confirmed.

2) I do not. He's been performing between a 1st and elite 2nd line player in aggregate value for the Jets over the past 3 seasons despite scoring struggles. He'll start to decline (after bouncing back a bit as we are starting to see), but he's better value here than what his return would have been.
I have no idea why anyone would want to trade Perrault barring not being able to protect him in the expansion draft. The guy compliments Scheifele and Laine incredibly well. If you'd rather run Ehlers in that spot he's fully capable of elevating lines 2 or 3.

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In terms of relative value, here's one example of a draft pick value chart put together by Michael Schuckers (one of the earliest hockey analytics guys):

http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/5/1/is-it...-the-nhl-draft

So anywhere from 1.9x (early 4th vs. late 6th) to 1.1x (late 4th vs. early 6th) more valuable.

In terms of the absolute dollar value of a given pick? Probably tough to determine. It'd be a good question for the actuaries out there.
If the Jets had retained 50% of Stafford's salary it would save the Bruins about $450k.

If the Jets sold their 4th round pick for a 6th plus $450k how would you feel?

Boston had plenty of cap space to absorb Stafford. Why would they basically sell a 4th for a 6th (assuming a 2 rd improvement) and $450k? I think they prefer the deal they did.

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If the Jets had retained 50% of Stafford's salary it would save the Bruins about $450k.

If the Jets sold their 4th round pick for a 6th plus $450k how would you feel?

Boston had plenty of cap space to absorb Stafford. Why would they basically sell a 4th for a 6th (assuming a 2 rd improvement) and $450k? I think they prefer the deal they did.
Wait, are you asking me?

I haven't commented on anything, I provided a link to a pick value chart.

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03-01-2017, 06:20 PM
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Plus he's an UFA, so Chevy could re-sign him during free agent frenzy!
I think you might have used the wrong emoticon there. May I suggest

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So that's all Chevy does is move Stafford out.We don't get any players from anyone.Wow I guess they are okay with not winning this year.

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Wait, are you asking me?

I haven't commented on anything, I provided a link to a pick value chart.
I thought you were asking for input with this

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In terms of the absolute dollar value of a given pick? Probably tough to determine. It'd be a good question for the actuaries out there

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03-01-2017, 06:32 PM
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So that's all Chevy does is move Stafford out.We don't get any players from anyone.Wow I guess they are okay with not winning this year.
What were you expecting? The TD is not a time when lottery teams fix their weaknesses. It is a time when play-off teams rent players to push them over the top.

Oh wait, I see. You are still thinking of the '17 season. No, no one is OK with not winning this year but it isn't happening. It is over barring a miracle. And if we get divine intervention it doesn't matter that we didn't rent a couple of players.

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So that's all Chevy does is move Stafford out.We don't get any players from anyone.Wow I guess they are okay with not winning this year.
Bottom dwellers don't buy at the trade deadline....it's not the time to build its the time to go for it

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So that's all Chevy does is move Stafford out.We don't get any players from anyone.Wow I guess they are okay with not winning this year.
I don't know if they're okay with it, but they're looking at it realistically in my opinion.

In contradiction to Filipovic's pot shot.

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If the Jets had retained 50% of Stafford's salary it would save the Bruins about $450k.

If the Jets sold their 4th round pick for a 6th plus $450k how would you feel?

Boston had plenty of cap space to absorb Stafford. Why would they basically sell a 4th for a 6th (assuming a 2 rd improvement) and $450k? I think they prefer the deal they did.
Agreed. If retention wasn't required to stay within the cap why would you buy for higher then you had to? That doesn't make sense and not sure where that reasoning came from? It is not like the Bruins have historically been a nickle and dime team.

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03-01-2017, 08:10 PM
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Good Deal for Jets

Happy to see the Jets part with Stafford. I believe he was making around $ 4 mil per season-"only worth $ 1.5 M "tops". This will take a good load off the Jet's books, along with Pavelec. They should invest $ 3-4 mil on a proven goaltender like Halak, and then the Jet's would be a Stanley Cup contender. ( good deal Chevy) Chevy is a good steward of the Jet's money. ( just like getting rid of Ladd at $ 5 mil)

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If the Jets had retained 50% of Stafford's salary it would save the Bruins about $450k.

If the Jets sold their 4th round pick for a 6th plus $450k how would you feel?

Boston had plenty of cap space to absorb Stafford. Why would they basically sell a 4th for a 6th (assuming a 2 rd improvement) and $450k? I think they prefer the deal they did.
I doubt many NHL teams are as blithe about burning half a million dollars as you are.

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I doubt many NHL teams are as blithe about burning half a million dollars as you are.
You must have ignored the other part of my post. That's part where the Jets move up two rounds. I would guess a team like the Bruins considers that more valuable in the long run. A team like the Coyotes maybe finances have a bigger impact

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I doubt many NHL teams are as blithe about burning half a million dollars as you are.
No but the Bruins are traditionally a cap team and likely budget for it. Why throw away a 4th if you can get the same player with a 6th. Would you give away our 4th for a little salary retention?

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No but the Bruins are traditionally a cap team and likely budget for it. Why throw away a 4th if you can get the same player with a 6th. Would you give away our 4th for a little salary retention?
Conversely, the Jets are traditionally near the bottom of the league in spending and may have valued the money more than the difference between a 6th and a 5th or 4th.

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Conversely, the Jets are traditionally near the bottom of the league in spending and may have valued the money more than the difference between a 6th and a 5th or 4th.
Do you really think so? That is a pretty big stretch.

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Conversely, the Jets are traditionally near the bottom of the league in spending and may have valued the money more than the difference between a 6th and a 5th or 4th.
They should be near the top while they develop young players?

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