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03-19-2017, 02:58 PM
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What a player!!! wow!!

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Hi guys!

Is there a deal to be made during offseason for him?

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Boone Jenner




Michael McCarron


if a small add is needed, we can negotiate something (If Jenner's available obviously)
McCarron is the small add. You need a centerpiece.

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Hi guys!

Is there a deal to be made during offseason for him?

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Boone Jenner




Michael McCarron


if a small add is needed, we can negotiate something (If Jenner's available obviously)
You don't seriously think this is fair do you? A "small add" doesn't help.

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Hi guys!

Is there a deal to be made during offseason for him?

I thought :



Boone Jenner




Michael McCarron


if a small add is needed, we can negotiate something (If Jenner's available obviously)
The Jackets wouldn't have any interest. Boone Jenner looks to come close to providing 20 goals again this year and plays a very physical brand of hockey and is one of top 6-7 forwards. Don't see anything to gain from making this deal.

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Is this the same Boone Jenner that many on this board would have traded for a bag of pucks or left exposed in the expansion draft because he doesn't fit Tort's team speed system? Glad to see you are keeping it real HFCBJ

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Is this the same Boone Jenner that many on this board would have traded for a bag of pucks or left exposed in the expansion draft because he doesn't fit Tort's team speed system? Glad to see you are keeping it real HFCBJ

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I'm still not convinced you protect Jenner over Anderson if Hartnell doesn't waive. But it is getting tougher to choose.

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Is this the same Boone Jenner that many on this board would have traded for a bag of pucks or left exposed in the expansion draft because he doesn't fit Tort's team speed system? Glad to see you are keeping it real HFCBJ

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I'd like to know who you are referring to. Preferring Anderson to Jenner is not trading him for a bag of pucks.

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I'd like to know who you are referring to. Preferring Anderson to Jenner is not trading him for a bag of pucks.
It's not you because if it was you would know it.

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03-19-2017, 05:17 PM
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Is this the same Boone Jenner that many on this board would have traded for a bag of pucks or left exposed in the expansion draft because he doesn't fit Tort's team speed system? Glad to see you are keeping it real HFCBJ

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Even when Boone was potential trade bait he was outperforming McCarron.

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Is this the same Boone Jenner that many on this board would have traded for a bag of pucks or left exposed in the expansion draft because he doesn't fit Tort's team speed system? Glad to see you are keeping it real HFCBJ

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I know I was willing to include Boone in a deal for Matt Duchene, and also conceded many times that he's worth hanging onto for this particular time of the year. Which he is.

Expansion is still a mystery. I've gone back and forth on one of 3 guys who I'd expose since Thanksgiving and will still probably not come to a conclusion.

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I'm one who has never held Boone as untouchable as I've viewed him as a middle six guy. That doesn't means trading him for nothing. I have said he might be usd as a key asset in a package to obtain a high scoring center (- no, not that whole Duchene discussion). But Boone brings something to this team......As an aside, I like the 38-17-34 combo (call it a 2B line or 3rd line, whichever floats one's boat).

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I'm still not convinced you protect Jenner over Anderson if Hartnell doesn't waive. But it is getting tougher to choose.
After Saturday's game - must protect Anderson.
After Sunday's game - must keep Boone.
Monday - oh, no game. - Must find way to keep them both.
Tuesday - start over.

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After Saturday's game - must protect Anderson.
After Sunday's game - must keep Boone.
Monday - oh, no game. - Must find way to keep them both.
Tuesday - start over.
Pretty much this.

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03-20-2017, 11:00 AM
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It's such a painful choice and I'm really hoping it doesn't actually have to get made. They're both absolutely vital to the team.

I don't agree with those who think it can be easily avoided by some side deal. Las Vegas knows what it could get with one of those two and they're not going to be bought off with picks/prospects. Think about it, would you take Karlsson instead of Anderson/Jenner in exchange for a draft pick? No one here would.

A lot is riding on Hartnell's decision. If he is concerned about getting picked, perhaps guarantee him a stipulation that we'll pay LV a 2nd rounder to not take Hartnell. Crazy, I know, but it's probably easier to pay him off that way than to pay off LV - if Anderson/Jenner are unprotected they're as good as gone.

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There is, admittedly, a part of me that still dreams that our expansion problems will be solved by Hartnell choosing to retire this season after winning the Cup.

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There is, admittedly, a part of me that still dreams that our expansion problems will be solved by Hartnell choosing to retire this season after winning the Cup.
*pops your dream balloon*

He's too good to retire.

If there's no way around it we might see Hartnell threatened with a buy out (to get him to waive), and actually bought out if he refuses. Lest you think that's an easy option, it would be terrible for the team cap in 2019-2021. It would save $3m in obligations to Hartnell in each of the next two years (when we don't need the cap room) and stretch the $1.5m obligation to Hartnell past 2019 (when we will need every bit of cap).

Given that this is an option though - we can leverage it against LV. Perhaps folks can tell me if this is legal: We can offer a deal to LV before the buyout window incentivizing them to not take Anderson/Jenner. We are clear to them that if they refuse that we'll just buyout Hartnell and they get nothing extra. Though I don't know if we can make binding agreements with LV before the buyout window.


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IF Josh Anderson does get picked by the Golden Knights I'd offer Forsberg and a second rounder for him back.

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IF Josh Anderson does get picked by the Golden Knights I'd offer Forsberg and a second rounder for him back.
Would you trade Josh Anderson for a 2nd rounder and an AHL goalie?

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*pops your dream balloon*

He's too good to retire.
SO WAS NICKLAS LIDSTROM SO IT COULD TOTALLY HAPPEN OKAY yeah I'll shut up now

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It's such a painful choice and I'm really hoping it doesn't actually have to get made. They're both absolutely vital to the team.

I don't agree with those who think it can be easily avoided by some side deal. Las Vegas knows what it could get with one of those two and they're not going to be bought off with picks/prospects. Think about it, would you take Karlsson instead of Anderson/Jenner in exchange for a draft pick? No one here would.

A lot is riding on Hartnell's decision. If he is concerned about getting picked, perhaps guarantee him a stipulation that we'll pay LV a 2nd rounder to not take Hartnell. Crazy, I know, but it's probably easier to pay him off that way than to pay off LV - if Anderson/Jenner are unprotected they're as good as gone.
or extend his contract so lv wont want him. That would be paying him off and he could stay with his buddys.

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It's such a painful choice and I'm really hoping it doesn't actually have to get made. They're both absolutely vital to the team.

I don't agree with those who think it can be easily avoided by some side deal. Las Vegas knows what it could get with one of those two and they're not going to be bought off with picks/prospects. Think about it, would you take Karlsson instead of Anderson/Jenner in exchange for a draft pick? No one here would.

A lot is riding on Hartnell's decision. If he is concerned about getting picked, perhaps guarantee him a stipulation that we'll pay LV a 2nd rounder to not take Hartnell. Crazy, I know, but it's probably easier to pay him off that way than to pay off LV - if Anderson/Jenner are unprotected they're as good as gone.
Agreed, sometimes people on HFBoards seem to forget that the other side has to agree to the trade too.

Now, if Doug MacLean were managing Las Vegas...

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There is, admittedly, a part of me that still dreams that our expansion problems will be solved by Hartnell choosing to retire this season after winning the Cup.
It seems like getting him to waive would be a better solution than having him retire. I don't mind having him around for another year.

If he won't waive, a Hartnell buyout has to be considered. As much as that is an undesirable option, both Boone and Anderson have to be protected and the price to convince LV not to take the unprotected one will likely be too steep.

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IF Josh Anderson does get picked by the Golden Knights I'd offer Forsberg and a second rounder for him back.
They wouldn't make that trade (would you as GM?) nor can a team trade back a player to the team from whom he was taken (until after January 1, 2018).

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It seems like getting him to waive would be a better solution than having him retire. I don't mind having him around for another year.

If he won't waive, a Hartnell buyout has to be considered. As much as that is an undesirable option, both Boone and Anderson have to be protected and the price to convince LV not to take the unprotected one will likely be too steep.
It's less about the "Hartnell retires" and more about the "winning the Cup" part.

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It's less about the "Hartnell retires" and more about the "winning the Cup" part.
OK, got it. I can get behind that.

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