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03-10-2017, 12:03 PM
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Oh. So that explains why you keep kvetching about Fiala. He's endorsed by the hated announcers and compared by them to the hated winger. Therefore he too is worthy of hate. Right?

Y'know, if we were icing four lines like most successful teams do we could reduce Smith's responsibilities and it wouldn't look like some sort of horrible condemnation of doom. Cycling players when they're strong. But nooo, The First Line Is For Dominating and The Second Line Is Backup Scoring and The Third Line Is Immense Shutdown Responsibility and The Fourth Line Is A Waste Of Icetime and that's all they can ever be because reasons. Never mind that every current successful NHL team has thrown that crap out the window. TRADITION!
Not in the least, the casual fan is influenced by what sports announcers say and some of the posters here rave about Faila and Saros in the same manner that those two knuckleheads do. And to be honest it hurts my brain to read it. With there performance they are borderline NHL players. The two forwards have a roster spot to produce and one is paid 4 mil if you combine there goals and asst's there still below what a 4 mil player should be doing. How would you feel if Wennberg was not going to break 25 points?

Your explanation of the 4 lines is spot on the issue with this team again is none of the 2nd line will approach 40 points. And if folks are real honest the recent success centered around Forsberg and Arviddson. But thats impossible for most to admit. WHo knows what is up with Neal unless he is still injured he was on fire til he went down and since very little. Your stars have to contribute especially when you carry Wilson and Smith.

The bottom line is Forsberg and Arviddson can not carry this team. Last night there was a opportunity to pretty much eliminate the Kings as competition for the playoffs but they were allowed two points. This time of year you have to find a way to score 1 more goal than your competition it was not done against the Ducks which should have been two points then getting a point against the Kings would have been much better. As it is 2 points in two games is like one win. With a game in hand and Quick back you may as well figure the Preds lead over the Kings is 3. The Blues are going to end up 3rd in the central and now the Kings have a very good chance to eliminate the Preds from Post season then there will be a bunch melt down.


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03-12-2017, 06:44 AM
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I think Sissons is solidfying himself that 4th line center spot over Fiddler. Watson is a lock there and I think the top-6 is shaping to a form.

Fisher obviously the #3C, but how do you guys see the bottom-6 shaping out? Myself it's:

Fiala-Fisher-Parenteau (with Parenteau getting the power play time over Hook)
Watson-Sissons-Smith (hopefully, Smith can score some greasy goal down there and find his confidence, after that he can be moved up)

Also, I haven't liked McLeod's game in a while I think he just makes bad decisions with the puck and is too slow in the d-zone. Watson can take care of the fighting.

OT: I want to see Irwin in the lineup instead of preferably Weber but maybe Bitetto. He's solid in the d-zone, reliable in the o-zone and brings grit and veteran presence. Weber is a risk in the o-zone and gets beat too often in the d-zone. Bitetto is a bit risky, too but he's strong in the d-zone and brings grit.

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03-13-2017, 09:34 AM
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Your explanation of the 4 lines is spot on the issue with this team again is none of the 2nd line will approach 40 points. And if folks are real honest the recent success centered around Forsberg and Arviddson. But thats impossible for most to admit. WHo knows what is up with Neal unless he is still injured he was on fire til he went down and since very little. Your stars have to contribute especially when you carry Wilson and Smith.
bolded ????????
Neal???? I think he's got like 36, doesn't he?
Fish???? he's got 39, right?
and while Hook won't make it, he's had 16 points since late Jan when they moved him up into Rib's spot, something like 16 in 21 games? So while I'm not gonna' say he'd do that all year or anything, that is a 60+ pt pace.

As for the recent success totally on Flip and Arvy - given Hook's 16 in 21? Or heck, Wilson's 12 in that same period. Not too mention Josi (who has something like 18 pts in the last 18) and Subban (who has 17 in that 21ish games since Hook moved in to replace Ribs), since you were talking about Fs.

I got plenty of complaints about an underperforming roster, but our recent success being totally the first line doesn't seem supported by the stats.

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03-13-2017, 09:49 AM
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Given that Jarnkrok's production and if he can continue that rest of the reg. Season and in the poffs he might just be the answer at #2C for $2M per year (!!)

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03-13-2017, 09:59 AM
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Given that Jarnkrok's production and if he can continue that rest of the reg. Season and in the poffs he might just be the answer at #2C for $2M per year (!!)
I like Jarnkrok as much as anyone but if he's supposed to be the long term answer at #2C we're screwed.

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03-13-2017, 10:06 AM
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Would it be so uncalled though? The guy is talented and when drafted was projected a #2C. He has produced at lower levels. Late-bloomer? Reaching his potential just now? Would it be a first time a 25-year-old does that?

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03-13-2017, 11:58 AM
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Not in the least, the casual fan is influenced by what sports announcers say and some of the posters here rave about Faila and Saros in the same manner that those two knuckleheads do. And to be honest it hurts my brain to read it. With there performance they are borderline NHL players. The two forwards have a roster spot to produce and one is paid 4 mil if you combine there goals and asst's there still below what a 4 mil player should be doing. How would you feel if Wennberg was not going to break 25 points?

Your explanation of the 4 lines is spot on the issue with this team again is none of the 2nd line will approach 40 points. And if folks are real honest the recent success centered around Forsberg and Arviddson. But thats impossible for most to admit. WHo knows what is up with Neal unless he is still injured he was on fire til he went down and since very little. Your stars have to contribute especially when you carry Wilson and Smith.

The bottom line is Forsberg and Arviddson can not carry this team. Last night there was a opportunity to pretty much eliminate the Kings as competition for the playoffs but they were allowed two points. This time of year you have to find a way to score 1 more goal than your competition it was not done against the Ducks which should have been two points then getting a point against the Kings would have been much better. As it is 2 points in two games is like one win. With a game in hand and Quick back you may as well figure the Preds lead over the Kings is 3. The Blues are going to end up 3rd in the central and now the Kings have a very good chance to eliminate the Preds from Post season then there will be a bunch melt down.
For all your hatred of Fiala, he has produced as many goals this year in less games than your darling child Arvidsson did all year last year. He likely would have as many assists as Arvidsson if not for Smith being his linemate.

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This is why Fiddler will be in the lineup when healthy.

He is the only left handed center and he is really really good at the left dot faceoff.

It is a specific role and he fills it. Provided his ES minutes are very limited ( I would double shift Johansen if his conditioning is there or Jarnkrok)

In that scenario, I wouldn't mind-

Forsberg-Johansen-Arviddson
Wilson-Jarnkrok-Neal
Parenteau-Fisher-Watson
Salomaki/Smith (if he is up to gamespeed)-Fiddler(double shifted center)-Fiala

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03-13-2017, 12:40 PM
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This is why Fiddler will be in the lineup when healthy.

He is the only left handed center and he is really really good at the left dot faceoff.

It is a specific role and he fills it. Provided his ES minutes are very limited ( I would double shift Johansen if his conditioning is there or Jarnkrok)

In that scenario, I wouldn't mind-

Forsberg-Johansen-Arviddson
Wilson-Jarnkrok-Neal
Parenteau-Fisher-Watson
Salomaki/Smith (if he is up to gamespeed)-Fiddler(double shifted center)-Fiala
If you are going to play Fiala there, you might as well scratch him. Based on your list, I would switch Watson and Fiala.

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03-13-2017, 12:58 PM
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Johanson should be able to double shift pretty easy because he does not expend much effort when he is on the ice. If one could take Smiths effort and apply it to Johansons skill you would have one hell of a player.

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Johanson should be able to double shift pretty easy because he does not expend much effort when he is on the ice. If one could take Smiths effort and apply it to Johansons skill you would have one hell of a player.
Then why does he look gassed so often?

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Then why does he look gassed so often?
Because he's not actually lazy.

Ribeiro was lazy. Joey looks worn out a lot, Ribs never did.

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Because he's not actually lazy.

Ribeiro was lazy. Joey looks worn out a lot, Ribs never did.
Johansen just looks lazy. He appears to float, but as someone else has said in the past, this may be related to his long strides.

However I wish Johansen would stop playing Ribeiro wannabe so much and actually be semi selfish with the puck. He wants to pass first almost always even if he has the better view.

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Johansen just looks lazy. He appears to float, but as someone else has said in the past, this may be related to his long strides.

However I wish Johansen would stop playing Ribeiro wannabe so much and actually be semi selfish with the puck. He wants to pass first almost always even if he has the better view.
That's typically true for some of the bigger guys with long strides, they look like they're not trying but in reality may be deceptively fast.

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That's typically true for some of the bigger guys with long strides, they look like they're not trying but in reality may be deceptively fast.
Long strides or whatever aside, Joey would never be described as fast, not deceptively or otherwise. But the man can win a FO!

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The Legwand effect

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However I wish Johansen would stop playing Ribeiro wannabe so much and actually be semi selfish with the puck. He wants to pass first almost always even if he has the better view.
Could be just me, but he seems to be shooting more lately

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The Legwand effect
Yeah Legwand looked like he didn't give two ***** out there but it was just his stride and smooth skating

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If you are going to play Fiala there, you might as well scratch him. Based on your list, I would switch Watson and Fiala.
Did you not read the part of double shifting Johansen and Jarnkok at even strength?

Fiddler is there for one purpose and one only. Left handed, left dot face-off specialist. You may give him the first ES shift of the game to get his legs going, but then nada.

Why is that so hard to understand?

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To spread the wealth a bit more, have Arvy-Iron-Force been tried together?

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To spread the wealth a bit more, have Arvy-Iron-Force been tried together?
Maybe at some point last year or early on this year. But the top line won't be split up and Wilson-Jarnkrok-Neal has been very good lately as well. So no need to try anything new on either of those lines.

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I don't really care who we play on the 4th line. I just think Fiala is a better option than Smith in the lineup right now. I like Smith and he has been a good player, but this year he has been awful and isn't producing at all.

I like the top 6 as it stands:
Forsberg-Johansen-Arvidsson
Wilson-Jarnkrok-Neal

For the third line I'd go with:
Fiala-Fisher-Parenteau

And then on the fourth, pick three of:
Fiddler, Sissons, McLeod, Smith, Watson, whoever else is healthy and will skate hard.

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I don't really care who we play on the 4th line. I just think Fiala is a better option than Smith in the lineup right now. I like Smith and he has been a good player, but this year he has been awful and isn't producing at all.

I like the top 6 as it stands:
Forsberg-Johansen-Arvidsson
Wilson-Jarnkrok-Neal

For the third line I'd go with:
Fiala-Fisher-Parenteau

And then on the fourth, pick three of:
Fiddler, Sissons, McLeod, Smith, Watson, whoever else is healthy and will skate hard.
Ding ding ding, and we have a winner!

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I don't really care who we play on the 4th line. I just think Fiala is a better option than Smith in the lineup right now. I like Smith and he has been a good player, but this year he has been awful and isn't producing at all.

I like the top 6 as it stands:
Forsberg-Johansen-Arvidsson
Wilson-Jarnkrok-Neal

For the third line I'd go with:
Fiala-Fisher-Parenteau

And then on the fourth, pick three of:
Fiddler, Sissons, McLeod, Smith, Watson, whoever else is healthy and will skate hard.
I could go with that, although my picks for the fourth line would be Sissons, Smith, and Watson. Sissons and Watson because they both might have untapped upside, and Smith to **** off Byrddog.

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I could go with that, although my picks for the fourth line would be Sissons, Smith, and Watson. Sissons and Watson because they both might have untapped upside, and Smith to **** off Byrddog.
Same for me. Salo could challenge for the spot but he's probably too rusty to play this year. McLeod and Fiddler have no part of being in the ice.

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