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02-07-2006, 12:41 PM
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Thats fine... but I was qestioning you on this...

"how about Alex Steen for Richard Park, McCarthy, and Mojzis??
what quantity for quality proposals don't interest you??"

when cleary is was Quality for Quality +salary to even it up...

yours was just rediculous...
Allison isn't really quality... he's quality on a team that has a need for a player like that... he's quantity in a deal for a team that has no need for a player like that, since we already have 2 centers in their right roles.

But as illogic said - Bertuzzi has gone on record saying he doesn't want to leave Vancouver... Nonis has gone on record saying that he isnt' looking to move Bertuzzi... and Bertuzzi's connection with Naslund - the player this team is built around - is undeniable... how do you think Naslund would feels, that the team deals Bert after signing a long term deal here?

dealing Bertuzzi doesn't make sense on so many levels... and that's not even looking at the fact that Allison is not on a fit on this team.

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02-07-2006, 12:42 PM
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Thats fine... but I was qestioning you on this...

"how about Alex Steen for Richard Park, McCarthy, and Mojzis??
what quantity for quality proposals don't interest you??"

when cleary is was Quality for Quality +salary to even it up...

yours was just rediculous...
What quality does Allison bring to the Canucks that they don't already have?

Edit: posted at the same time as NFITO who basically said the same thing.

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02-07-2006, 12:44 PM
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What quality does Allison bring to the Canucks that they don't already have?

Edit: posted at the same time as NFITO who basically said the same thing.
Clearly something they are lacking in Morrison... a playmaking Center

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02-07-2006, 12:45 PM
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Clearly something they are lacking in Morrison... a playmaking Center
not that he's been terrible but he's not playing his game right now (0.71 PPG)

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02-07-2006, 12:47 PM
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If Bert gets traded it will happen in the off-season... There is no point speculating about it until then... and even then I dont think it would happen unless Nonis is given a sweet deal

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02-07-2006, 12:51 PM
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actually it's a 1 year contract... so that makes you look even more like an idiot...
actually i think he was being sarcastic, as in sure why dont we trade Bertuzzi for a 3 month rental.
so the 'idiot' ball seems to be in your court.

as for Allison 46 points in 50 games doesnt really tell the whole story about the slowest skater in the history of the NHL.
Id say 9 goals and 37 second assists and a team second worst -12 say a lot more about him.
okok they arent all second assists, just many of them. Not to mention 28 out of 37 of those assists are PP assists. So in fact he has a grand total of 15 even strength points this year.
So if you are looking for a slow power play specialist who doesnt score, no doubt Allison is your man.

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02-07-2006, 12:53 PM
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actually i think he was being sarcastic, as in sure why dont we trade Bertuzzi for a 3 month rental.
so the 'idiot' ball seems to be in your court.

as for Allison 46 points in 50 games doesnt really tell the whole story about the slowest skater in the history of the NHL.
Id say 9 goals and 37 second assists and a team second worst -12 say a lot more about him.
okok they arent all second assists, just many of them. Not to mention 28 out of 37 of those assists are PP assists. So in fact he has a grand total of 15 even strength points this year.
Only one word can describe it: Quality


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02-07-2006, 12:58 PM
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actually i think he was being sarcastic, as in sure why dont we trade Bertuzzi for a 3 month rental.
so the 'idiot' ball seems to be in your court.

as for Allison 46 points in 50 games doesnt really tell the whole story about the slowest skater in the history of the NHL.
Id say 9 goals and 37 second assists and a team second worst -12 say a lot more about him.
okok they arent all second assists, just many of them. Not to mention 28 out of 37 of those assists are PP assists. So in fact he has a grand total of 15 even strength points this year.
So if you are looking for a slow power play specialist who doesnt score, no doubt Allison is your man.

1) he already said he thought it was a 2 year contract (so your wrong)
2) "so the 'idiot' ball seems to be in your court." (again back at you for speculating)
3) "as for Allison 46 points in 50 games doesnt really tell the whole story about the slowest skater in the history of the NHL." (46 points is 46 points I don't get you... Gretzky had a lot of empty nets goals, does that mean they don't count? lol your wierd)
4) "Id say 9 goals and 37 second assists and a team second worst -12 say a lot more about him." (There mostly permary assists or split even thank you, and O'Neill is -17 thats why he's benched)
5) "So if you are looking for a slow power play specialist who doesnt score, no doubt Allison is your man." (So if your looking for a Play Making center with 46 points in 50 games, who can make players around him better (Antropov Poni) then Allison's your guy)
6) You know very little about hockey, or you just know hockey about Vancouver, or you just hate the Leafs and can't admit when your wrong

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02-07-2006, 01:02 PM
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1) he already said he thought it was a 2 year contract (so your wrong)
2) "so the 'idiot' ball seems to be in your court." (again back at you for speculating)
3) "as for Allison 46 points in 50 games doesnt really tell the whole story about the slowest skater in the history of the NHL." (46 points is 46 points I don't get you... Gretzky had a lot of empty nets goals, does that mean they don't count? lol your wierd)
4) "Id say 9 goals and 37 second assists and a team second worst -12 say a lot more about him." (There mostly permary assists or split even thank you, and O'Neill is -17 thats why he's benched)
5) "So if you are looking for a slow power play specialist who doesnt score, no doubt Allison is your man." (So if your looking for a Play Making center with 46 points in 50 games, who can make players around him better (Antropov Poni) then Allison's your guy)
6) You know very little about hockey, or you just know hockey about Vancouver, or you just hate the Leafs and can't admit when your wrong
This is the same Allison I read might be waived? Maybe thats Jamie Allison. Or Jim Allison.

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02-07-2006, 01:02 PM
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1) he already said he thought it was a 2 year contract (so your wrong)
No he didn't. He said he knew he was a UFA.

"I know that Allison isn't signed for next season... Bertuzzi is... so we're going to deal him for a soon to be UFA?"


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2) "so the 'idiot' ball seems to be in your court." (again back at you for speculating)
Again, no, it's pretty much in your court now.

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02-07-2006, 01:05 PM
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This is the same Allison I read might be waived? Maybe thats Jamie Allison. Or Jim Allison.

Thats Jamie Allison...

And for illogic...

I'm not saying trade Allison for Bertuzzi... you can trade who ever you want...

don't say it's Quality for quantity just because it's your team because it's clearly Quality for Quality + salary to even the contract...

and thats exactly my point... You get Bertuzzi off your books for next year and can sign who ever you want with 6 million lol... what didn't you get

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02-07-2006, 01:09 PM
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and thats exactly my point... You get Bertuzzi off your books for next year and can sign who ever you want with 6 million lol... what didn't you get
Who in the world said we wanted to get Bertuzzi off the books for next year? I don't recall any Canucks fans, or anyone from the Canucks organization saying they wanted to dump his salary. And if we wanted to sign someone in the offseason, we'll let Jovo walk and use that money. What don't you get??

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02-07-2006, 01:11 PM
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I'm not saying trade Allison for Bertuzzi...
That's exactly what you proposed.

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02-07-2006, 01:13 PM
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That's exactly what you proposed.

I said you were forced to do the trade???

your a funny guy...

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Bertuzzi won't be traded this season unless the return is to good to pass up. which won't happen of course.

Canucks are better of heading into the playoffs with Bertuzzi then without and some spare parts that they don't need.

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Not sure what Auld has to do to get people to stop referring to him as a backup. He has been quite good this year, and lately in particular. His numbers put him in the top half of the league among starters and he's just a 24-year-old rookie.

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1) he already said he thought it was a 2 year contract (so your wrong)
you are blind or illiterate, see previous posts correcting you
2) "so the 'idiot' ball seems to be in your court." (again back at you for speculating)see point #1
3) "as for Allison 46 points in 50 games doesnt really tell the whole story about the slowest skater in the history of the NHL." (46 points is 46 points I don't get you... Gretzky had a lot of empty nets goals, does that mean they don't count? lol your wierd)
i didnt say they didnt count, i said they dont tell the whole story...im not sure what part of that you are not capable of understanding, especially when i detail why further down my post
4) "Id say 9 goals and 37 second assists and a team second worst -12 say a lot more about him." (There mostly permary assists or split even thank you, and O'Neill is -17 thats why he's benched)
i dont know what "There mostly permary assists" means...but i think you are trying to say they arent all second assists. great! woohoo! i notice you didnt address the fact that 75% of those assists be they PRIMARY or secondary come on the PP. In addition i have no idea what O'Neil has to do with anything related to anything in this post or thread (other than the fact that he is even more useless than Allison
5) "So if you are looking for a slow power play specialist who doesnt score, no doubt Allison is your man." (So if your looking for a Play Making center with 46 points in 50 games, who can make players around him better (Antropov Poni) then Allison's your guy)
hmmm interesting in fact he's making them so much better that when he plays with them at even strength he's -12 and has produced a grand total of 15 points while playing with them (assuming of course that all 15 of his even strength points have come with those 2 on his wings.) trust me, on that line no-one is making anyone better.
6) You know very little about hockey, or you just know hockey about Vancouver, or you just hate the Leafs and can't admit when your wrong
well if by very little you mean as little as you, then no. I guess this would be proven by the fact you are implying i only know Vancouver hockey when in fact im a Sens fan in Ottawa...which makes the anwser to the last part of your question quite obvious.

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If philly was somehow able to handle his contract, Id give Johnsson and or Umberger or Savage and a few picks, maybe even throw in Brashear with his 1.5 bull**** salary. I think that would do it. Thats probably overpaying for Bert but we need a gritty scoring forward...and we have a lot of D after Olympics..but we need to get rid of salary space.
It's not overpaying. It's not even underpaying and you know it.

Despite the fact that every fan in the league thinks the Canucks are going to move him, I personally think they will not. And isn't it interesting that the fans on this board who tout how Bertuzzi's trade value is so small are still happy at the very idea of him being moved to their club.

Bertuzzi has not had *that* bad of a year - especially as bad as some folks are thinking. I just think people have too much expectations when it comes to the regular season. I don't think Bertuzzi does not care - he just does not care when the games don't matter, to his club or his team. Rarely does Bertuzzi have a real stinker that didn't involve a club like Columbus or St.Louis, or other horrid clubs.

In the playoffs, the possibility of Bertuzzi elevating his game and tearing apart an opposing team is a very real one, and I do think David Nonis understands that. This is why I think Bertuzzi will be a Canuck for at least 'till the end of his contract term.

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There is very little chance that Bertuzzi will be dealt this season. Nonis will likely want to see what Bertuzzi can do in the post-season before he touches any of the core players. If Bertuzzi stinks it up, look for him to be shopped around. But at this time, I highly doubt it unless a team seriously overpays.

As for trade proposals involving Jason Allison, no way would the Canucks be interested in him. They don't need another center, especially a soft, slow, defensively irresonsible one such as Allison.

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He won't be traded. Stop the moronic proposals.

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There is very little chance that Bertuzzi will be dealt this season. Nonis will likely want to see what Bertuzzi can do in the post-season before he touches any of the core players. If Bertuzzi stinks it up, look for him to be shopped around. But at this time, I highly doubt it unless a team seriously overpays.

As for trade proposals involving Jason Allison, no way would the Canucks be interested in him. They don't need another center, especially a soft, slow, defensively irresonsible one such as Allison.
I totally agree. The Canucks may have been interested in trading Bertuzzi to TO if they had offered a package that included Wade Belak, but not Jason Allison! Besides Montreal offers a better deal than Toronto. We can get rid of all three of our team headaches by packaging Bertuzzi, Naslund and Ohlund to the Canadians for Mathieu Dandenault & Steve Begin. That way we could use Ruutu & Begin on the first line between Morrison & Dandenault would replace Ohlund as our #1 D. Stanley Cup assured!

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I totally agree. The Canucks may have been interested in trading Bertuzzi to TO if they had offered a package that included Wade Belak, but not Jason Allison! Besides Montreal offers a better deal than Toronto. We can get rid of all three of our team headaches by packaging Bertuzzi, Naslund and Ohlund to the Canadians for Mathieu Dandenault & Steve Begin. That way we could use Ruutu & Begin on the first line between Morrison & Dandenault would replace Ohlund as our #1 D. Stanley Cup assured!
How can u even say such things "Besides Montreal offers a better deal than Toronto" have younot heard of Aki Berg, this is the guy i am targetting naslun,bertuzzi,morrison,ohlund for aki berg and as many usueless players it takes to even out the salaries. AKi Berg is going to be a huge star... what am i saying he already is...now thats cup assured.

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i still think max afiniganov and marty biron plus a pick would be fair.

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i still think max afiniganov and marty biron plus a pick would be fair.
Except the Canucks will likely have little interest in Marty Biron. On top of that, I doubt Buffalo would have much interest in disrutping their team at this time.

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Sundin! Seriously, the Leafs need to start retooling. A 30 year old Bertuzzi is still young enough to turn his game around. Leafs would still have Lindros, Allison, Steen , Stajan, Wellwood, Antropov + Wilm as guys that can play centre ice. Sundin comes with a slightly higher price tag but salaries can be added on the other side to even the $$$ out.

Failing that, would you consider Allison + Klee + a prospect/pick?


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