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Are the Leafs the new Blackhawks?

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03-08-2017, 07:08 PM
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Are the Leafs the new Blackhawks?

Is anyone else seeing the similiarities between Chicago and Toronto?

Beyond the obvious in Toews/Kane and Matthews/Marner

  • Chicago won the 2010 SC after waiting for 49 years
  • For Toronto it's 50 years waiting if they don't win it this year.
  • As Toronto, Chicago was also pretty bad before drafting Toews and Kane and turning everything around. In 2003/04 the Blackhawks finished last in the WC. In 2005/06 they finished 14th, year later 13th out of 15.
  • The first season of Toews and Kane, Chicago missed the playoffs just by 3 points and finishing 10th. Toronto is in a very similar close to PO situation now.

  • The first season of Toews and Kane, Kane got 72 points in 76 games, Toews 24 goals and 54 points in 64 games. The first season of Matthews and Marner, Marner so far has 48 points in 56 games, Matthews 30 goals and 54 points in 61 games.

  • Kane won the Calder trophy in 2007. It's possible that it will be Matthews for the Leafs this season.


No one could imagine in 2003 or 2006, that the Blackhawks would win 3 Stanley Cups later in 10 years.



Obviously, there is quite a lot of teams with talent out there, but so it was the case when Chicago started. At the very least, Toronto fans must be pretty excited, because the future looks incredibly, incredibly bright in comparison to what they went through the last couple of years (decades). So, enjoy. I can't wait to see this team progress game by game. In my opinion we're seeing a birth of something special.

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Interesting comparison - and good job on your research. Time will tell if this proves to be a case of history repeating itself. I know Toronto fans are starving for a winner, but there's alot that still has to happen for the Maple Leafs to be the new Blackhawks.

It would be nice to see Toronto get the monkey off their back. 50 years is long enough.

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No Keith or Seabrook. Still miles away.

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Hahaha what?

Win three cups and get back to me.

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No Keith or Seabrook. Still miles away.
They certainly have a Seabrook.

They are missing a Keith, which will be much much harder to find.

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Oh boy. This thread won't go well.

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Since I don't agree with your "obvious" comparison off the top, I'll say no.

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When Chicago gets a Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Hossa and Sharp, we can talk.

If you want so say Nylander is Sharp, I can accept that but you're still 3 great dmen away.

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Leafs aren't winning anything until they get a #1 D.

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It would be a lot closer a comparison if the Leafs had a #1 Dman. Until then, no. The comparison begins and ends with Matthews/Marner and Toews/Kane

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Don't ask until they win multiple Stanley Cups.

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When they win three Cups, then they will be.

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Chicago built from the backed out. They drafted their core defense and goalies early on and then drafted the core forwards later.

The leafs have built from the front end ... that's why I doubt they will be a playoff contender much less a cup contender any time soon.

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Yes. They are currently the closest model.

And I'd like to point out, dspite all the crap Reilly gets, he's better than Keith/Seabrooke at the same age.

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We have similar forwards goaltending and coaching.

We are missing a key defenceman.

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When Chicago gets a Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Hossa and Sharp, we can talk.

If you want so say Nylander is Sharp, I can accept that but you're still 3 great dmen away.
Chicago already has a Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson and Hossa. They use to have a Sharp but they traded him away.

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Chicago built from the backed out. They drafted their core defense and goalies early on and then drafted the core forwards later.

The leafs have built from the front end ... that's why I doubt they will be a playoff contender much less a cup contender any time soon.
That's not entirely true though. Their D was not top picks and took quite a few years to develop. And what goalies? They did not win cups because of goalies. Niemi had horrific stats in the 2010 finals. They won in spite of him, Andersen is better.

And the Leafs are in a playoff spot now. So yes, they are a playoff contender.

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Hahaha what?

Win three cups and get back to me.
Start with 1 first.

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Leafs aren't winning anything until they get a #1 D.
Reilly is on his way.

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It's something I said in another thread, and I think they have everything in place to be the Chicago of the east. Honestly, if they're not legit contenders in 5 years it'll be a spectacular fail by management.

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Reilly is on his way.
Ppl keep saying that... How many points did Keith have in his first 300 NHL games?

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