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Quebec Nordiques: expansion or relocation

View Poll Results: Will Quebec City get a team via expansion or relocation?
Expansion 54 10.51%
Relocation 345 67.12%
QC will not get an NHL team 115 22.37%
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03-11-2017, 07:35 PM
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Come on man. That's not how I think. But after the NHL humiliated Québecor, stole ten million dollars from the group and refused us expansion. Is it any wonder many of us wish misery and pain on the rest of the NHL?

We wouldn't be here if they'd done the right thing and accepted to take our money.
Maybe it was Quebecor that was unable to pay the 500,000,000 price tag and the NHL took the bullet publicly for them.

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Either is good. Whatever. We'll see.

Anyways, right now I'm richer because I'm not spending money on Nordiques group Season Tickets. So it's maybe more of a blessing in disguise.

And anyways, the Centre Videotron isn't wasted at all, it has awesome shows all the time. And the Rampart have better attendance then many Southern US teams, are cheaper to go see, and we're not sending our dollars to Pheonix trough revenue sharing.

Also, I've become addicted to the Coyotes Saga after so many years. If they ever relocated it'd be like Game of Thrones was cancelled.

Either way it'll happen eventually, I think. And if it doesn't, it's the NHL's loss. Not ours.
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Which of the many Southern US teams are they better than?

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03-11-2017, 07:43 PM
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They will get a relocation team, probably this summer. Too soft of a landing spot to not happen.

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Which of the many Southern US teams are they better than?
I meant for some games. Not in average attendance. And it was a figure of speech to say they're extrememely sucessful and pay the bills. Dont take it personally dude.

Also, about your other post. The idea that Québecor wasn't gonna pay is pure 100% bull. It makes no sense.

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I meant for some games. Not in average attendance. And it was a figure of speech to say they're extrememely sucessful and pay the bills. Dont take it personally dude.

Also, about your other post. The idea that Québecor wasn't gonna pay is pure 100% bull. It makes no sense.
not what you said or insinuated.

Really a publicity held company backing out of a deal that some of it's investors think is risky is not uncommon at all.

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not what you said or insinuated.

Really a publicity held company backing out of a deal that some of it's investors think is risky is not uncommon at all.
Not being offered something in the first place where they can pay that amount seems more likely and is consistent to what the league said when they were deffered makes allot more sense no?

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Quebec is being saved for when the NHL finds itself in a situation like they had in atlanta.... an emergency relocation

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Im from Quebec city, i want it to happen but until gary bettman retires its never happening.

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Quebec won't get a team because the money doesn't make sense. If a team relocates the Nords will still have to pay close to 500 million USD.

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Im from Quebec city, i want it to happen but until gary bettman retires its never happening.
Yes because Bettman hates Canada and will never allow a team to move there



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Im from Quebec city, i want it to happen but until gary bettman retires its never happening.
I don't think that's true at all, however if alignment is really an issue it may (still not 100% as they could bite the bullet and play in the central) not happen until an Eastern team has to move.

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Relocation. Something Nords fans should be praying for anyway since it's easy 3+ years ahead of on ice product worth compared to expansion.

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Neither. Quebec has failed as an NHL market twice, why should they get another chance?
I love that you cite the failure of the 1917-1920 Quebec Bulldogs, a team that precedes not only World War II but the forward pass, as an argument against Quebec City. Hey, if it didn't work then, it'll never work today!

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I love that you cite the failure of the 1917-1920 Quebec Bulldogs, a team that precedes not only World War II but the forward pass, as an argument against Quebec City. Hey, if it didn't work then, it'll never work today!
Yeah, it's like why did Pittsburgh and Philadelphia get a second chance? Or why did NYC get a second chance at two teams?

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Yes because Bettman hates Canada and will never allow a team to move there
Not as long as he has a choice. Quebec gets a team when the NHL has no other choice.

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Not as long as he has a choice. Quebec gets a team when the NHL has no other choice.
I love the bogus narrative that he had no choice in Winnipeg instead of the real truth that he was working with Winnipeg for years and was helpful in getting a team moved there. He has also been working with Quebec also.


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Yeah, it's like why did Pittsburgh and Philadelphia get a second chance? Or why did NYC get a second chance at two teams?
The St. Louis Eagles told me everything I needed to know about the viability of the St. Louis market for all time. Nothing has ever changed in any way.

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Quebec won't get a team because the money doesn't make sense. If a team relocates the Nords will still have to pay close to 500 million USD.
I very much doubt that. The NHL would love to be rid of a problem child franchise like the Coyotes at a certain price point, but it isn't $500 million. Probably $350 or so, maybe less, depending on how much debt the team has taken on behind closed doors.

It's hard to ask full price for a team if you've got several floating around in limbo. Foley was an isolated case of an owner that wanted a team right away, and wanted to build it his way.

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Not as long as he has a choice. Quebec gets a team when the NHL has no other choice.
He did have a choice. As I recall around that time there was a lot of rumors that Kansas City wanted a team and they had an arena built.

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He did have a choice. As I recall around that time there was a lot of rumors that Kansas City wanted a team and they had an arena built.
As of right now it appears the Sprint Center makes more money with concerts than they would with 45 NHL games.

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Quebec is being saved for when the NHL finds itself in a situation like they had in atlanta.... an emergency relocation
terrible owners who just wanted out and never gave two craps about the team, nor let anyone in the atl even attempt to save the franchise?

i could be wrong, but i am like 90% sure i remember ted turner saying he would have bought them to keep them in atlanta

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He did have a choice. As I recall around that time there was a lot of rumors that Kansas City wanted a team and they had an arena built.
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As of right now it appears the Sprint Center makes more money with concerts than they would with 45 NHL games.
And, Sprint Center has been that way for years. The truth is that the presence of a team offers exactly ONE benefit to a city/arena. Name recognition. An NHL team in KC is going to require parking fees, all game night revenues of all kinds, and Naming Rights as well, PLUS some of the other monies from the arena, in order to stay afloat. That's the reality of a market of that size.

All those monies would have to come out KC's pocket, and there is no reason for the city to do that, when the place is fully used as it is. Basically, until something changes either with the way NHL does business, or with the way Sprint Center is booked, there is no NBA or NHL team going there.

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And, Sprint Center has been that way for years. The truth is that the presence of a team offers exactly ONE benefit to a city/arena. Name recognition. An NHL team in KC is going to require parking fees, all game night revenues of all kinds, and Naming Rights as well, PLUS some of the other monies from the arena, in order to stay afloat. That's the reality of a market of that size.

All those monies would have to come out KC's pocket, and there is no reason for the city to do that, when the place is fully used as it is. Basically, until something changes either with the way NHL does business, or with the way Sprint Center is booked, there is no NBA or NHL team going there.
Very well stated how some cities might think they're better off without a team, unless the team plays full freight. I hadn't thought of how some of that income, that normally goes to a tenant, is accruing to Kansas City now. Not a bad deal.

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Neither. Quebec has failed as an NHL market twice, why should they get another chance?
Ridiculous.
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Coyotes have been in Arizona for 20 years, they should stay there.
Why? The league disagrees with you.

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Okay, but they are seeking to get a 3rd arena in a different location in Arizona.

If Quebec is a twice failed NHL market over a course of 100 years, when does Arizona starts showing signs of weakness with all that happened in the last 20 years ?
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The Nordiques were in Quebec City for 23 years. They should have stayed too.
Agreed.


Having said that... it should be expansion. Two reasons 1) a fresh start for Quebec. 2) no dead weight from another franchise with be personnel.


The Hurricanes should try to make it work, or have Hartford ready. The coyotes should go to Seattle or Portland if the bill doesn't pass. Houston and Atlanta should be expansion.

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He did have a choice. As I recall around that time there was a lot of rumors that Kansas City wanted a team and they had an arena built.
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As of right now it appears the Sprint Center makes more money with concerts than they would with 45 NHL games.
KC's guy said the expansion fee was too much, and he was right

http://kckingdom.com/2016/12/22/kans...e-kansas-city/
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terrible owners who just wanted out and never gave two craps about the team, nor let anyone in the atl even attempt to save the franchise?

i could be wrong, but i am like 90% sure i remember ted turner saying he would have bought them to keep them in atlanta
Ted Turner/WB sold the team in the first place.

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