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03-12-2017, 03:05 AM
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Teams of the decade

When you think of each decade, which team comes to your mind as the team of the decade? Use whatever criteria that you deem fit.

30's: No opinion

40's: Toronto Maple leafs
5 cups including the only team to 3-peat

50's: Montreal Canadiens
5 cups including 4 straight at the end of the decade

60's: Montreal Canadiens
Another 5 cups in this decade, including a 5th straight to start the decade.

70s: Montreal Canadiens
6 cups for the habs in this decade, including 4 in a row. Redefined the game in some ways compared to where it was heading in the mid 70s

80s: Edmonton Oilers
They weren't the outright cup haul leaders in the 80s, but when you think of the 80s, you think of lots of goals, and you think of Wayne Gretzky, so I give the edge to Edmonton.

90s: Detroit Red Wings
Again, they didn't have the outright cup lead but they were contenders for the large majority of that decade, and the 90s also reminds me of the Russian influence into the NHL and the wings seemed to personify that better than anyone else.

2000s: Detroit Red Wings
This is probably the toughest for me to come up with. NJ is right there. It's almost as if the decade should be split into two segments because the game changed quite a bit after the lockout. The wings won in the pre lockout brand and they won in the post lockout brand, so I'll give them the ever so slight edge for being a bit more versatile.

2010-current: Chicago Blackhawks
Barring the penguins making a run with a couple more cups, I'm pretty comfortable calling the Blackhawks the team of this decade. This decade makes me think of the salary cap, and the Hawks have continued to find ways to be competitive every year and they have done so better than anyone else. Their 3 cups are going to tough to topple as well.

How does your list look like? I suspect it gets interesting going from the 80s onwards.

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1950s is kind of a toss-up between Montreal and Detroit. Red Wings won 4 Cups from 1950 to 1954, but also finished in 1st place every year from 1949 to 1955, and then again in 1957. But in 1958 and 1959 the Wings were kind of also-rans, and Montreal was right in its 5-in-a-row phase.

Definitely Montreal for the 1960s and the 1970s.

And definitely Edmonton for the 1980s. The Islanders were more of a 1975 to 1984 team, whereas Edmonton was more of a 1981 to 1990 team, centered right in the 1980s at their peak.

I'd agree with Detroit for the 1990s.

The past two decades, no one team stands out to me. There are a handful in contention for each decade.

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1930s I think you have to pick Toronto by default. No team was a dynasty, there were a lot of teams with one championship. Remember, in the 1930s there were as many as 9 teams at one point, but still not a dynasty. However, the team with the most success was Toronto. One Cup early on, and then 5 different trips to the final ending in a loss. They had a great line (The Kid Line) at the end of the decade Syl Apps' career started and so did Turk Broda's.

Montreal had Morenz and Boston had Shore, so you have the two best players of the 1930s, but they were not the best franchises.

2000s and 2010s are pretty clear I think with Detroit and Chicago taking the #1 spot respectively. Barring anything unforeseen Chicago probably ends the decade at the #1 spot. But the bigger question is who are the #2 teams in each decade? You might be inclined to say New Jersey for the 2000s but that's only because of their success in the early part of the decade. However, I don't think another team can step up. Anaheim maybe? But even then I don't think so.

2010s I think the #2 team is Pittsburgh. It could be L.A. too I guess, but year in and year out no one has had the regular seasons like Pittsburgh other than Chicago. Plus they have one Cup so far.

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An argument could be made for Pittsburgh in the 1990s. Two Cups and a President's Trophy with arguably the best player in the game at the time.

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1930s I think you have to pick Toronto by default. No team was a dynasty, there were a lot of teams with one championship. Remember, in the 1930s there were as many as 9 teams at one point, but still not a dynasty. However, the team with the most success was Toronto. One Cup early on, and then 5 different trips to the final ending in a loss. They had a great line (The Kid Line) at the end of the decade Syl Apps' career started and so did Turk Broda's.
Actually, because 30ies could include 29-30 OR 39-40 (but not really both), that could mean four teams with 2 Cup wins : Canadiens OR Rangers (who respectively won 30 and 40, along with another Cup each), the Blackhawks and the Wings.

The Maroons, the Bruins and the Leafs each have one.

But the Hawks were arguably the worse team during that period, and the Habs weren't that great either. The Rangers only had one season where they were below .500 (and by one game) and would probably be a decent answer, but one of their cup is arguably not in the timespan. The Bruins definitely should've been better than they were. The Maroons folded during the decade and were otherwise poor man's Rangers, in a way. The Wings (actually, the Detroit team) was certainly the best team in the middle of the decade, but issues with bookending years. The Bruins and the Leafs choked a little too much for my tastes, too.

I'd probably give it to the Rangers, come to think of it.

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An argument could be made for Pittsburgh in the 1990s. Two Cups and a President's Trophy with arguably the best player in the game at the time.
Actually, I was thinking this, too (after I posted yesterday). The Wings didn't really become a powerhouse until around 1995, but the Pens were sort-of consistently a top team (playoffs or regular season) for most of the decade and matched Detroit in Cup counting.

In regular season, it's gotta be either Pittsburgh or Detroit since 2000, right? Other than the 4 Cups for Detroit, I think a case could be made that Pittsburgh is the best NHL franchise since 1990.

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In regular season, it's gotta be either Pittsburgh or Detroit since 2000, right? Other than the 4 Cups for Detroit, I think a case could be made that Pittsburgh is the best NHL franchise since 1990.
Red Wings and Pens at number 1 and 2 since 1990 would be right, they are #1 and 2 in playoff wins:
http://www.nhl.com/stats/team?aggreg...te,1&sort=wins

With a good separation from the rest.

Also #1,2 in regular season win, the devils being closer to the Pens this time:
http://www.nhl.com/stats/team?aggreg...te,1&sort=wins

#1 and 2 in goal for during that time too.

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I'd have Pittsburgh as the Team of the 90s, in large part because I think of the 80s as Gretzky's decade and the 90s as that of Mario and Jagr. Two cups, two other great teams in 92-93 and 95-96. Slight edge to them over the Red Wings.

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Mm. The Red Wings are more like the team of 1995 to 2005, rather than one clean decade (or even 1995 to 2010, really).

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90's should be Pens

2 cups, 1 president trophy, 2 best players in the game and they are among best all time, multiple hart and art ross trophies

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...2 best players in the game and they are among best all time, multiple hart and art ross trophies
A reminder: we're talking about teams.

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I'd have Pittsburgh as the Team of the 90s, in large part because I think of the 80s as Gretzky's decade and the 90s as that of Mario and Jagr. Two cups, two other great teams in 92-93 and 95-96. Slight edge to them over the Red Wings.
I did think about putting the Penguins as the team of the 90's. Certainly a case could be made about it.

When it comes down to it though, I think the red wings were pretty much contenders from 91/92, right through to the end of the decade. Early on, they weren't living up to expectations in the playoffs, and they were acquiring the choker label, but the cups eventually came. Meanwhile, as the decade moved on, I considered the penguins to be a high octane team that was fun to watch, but I no longer considered them to be prime cup favourites. Its close though, as you mentioned.

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A reminder: we're talking about teams.
considering their equal amount of cups with the wings and many seasons as a contender, i think their multiple individual awards gives them the nod over the wings

hope this helps

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1930s I think you have to pick Toronto by default. No team was a dynasty, there were a lot of teams with one championship. Remember, in the 1930s there were as many as 9 teams at one point, but still not a dynasty. However, the team with the most success was Toronto. One Cup early on, and then 5 different trips to the final ending in a loss. They had a great line (The Kid Line) at the end of the decade Syl Apps' career started and so did Turk Broda's.

Montreal had Morenz and Boston had Shore, so you have the two best players of the 1930s, but they were not the best franchises.

2000s and 2010s are pretty clear I think with Detroit and Chicago taking the #1 spot respectively. Barring anything unforeseen Chicago probably ends the decade at the #1 spot. But the bigger question is who are the #2 teams in each decade? You might be inclined to say New Jersey for the 2000s but that's only because of their success in the early part of the decade. However, I don't think another team can step up. Anaheim maybe? But even then I don't think so.

2010s I think the #2 team is Pittsburgh. It could be L.A. too I guess, but year in and year out no one has had the regular seasons like Pittsburgh other than Chicago. Plus they have one Cup so far.
Homer here, but the hawks are definite #1's in the 2010's lest the pens get 2 more cups in the next 4 years (including this season), I wouldn't count the pens 08/09 cup into this decade so that makes one for the '10s. LA, though they have two cups, hasn't won their division (which has been notorious for being the weakest in the 2010 to now time frame), has been eliminated from the playoffs once already, is on pace to miss them again this season, and the team (IMO) doesn't seem like its going to make a huge push in the next 4 years.

Hard to argue with the pens for regular season though, only once have they finished lower than 2nd in the division, whereas the hawks have been above that only twice.

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In some cases it's really difficult, because some teams were dominant only for a part of a decade.
So I tried to do "half-decade" (pentade) list:
2011-15: Chicago (doesn't matter if the pentade is 10-14 or 11-15, they still manage the same number of cups as Kings... but still probably more dominant)
2006-10: Detroit (homer pick, probably same case can be made for Penguins, I give to Detroit the edge for 2006 Presidents' Trophy)
2001-05(04): New Jersey (if the pentade would be 2000-04, it would be more clear for Jersey; but what other team could be the symbol of dead puck era? )
1996-00: Detroit
1991-95: Pittsburgh
1986-90: Edmonton (well... it has to be Edmonton, 3 cups... but for me personally Calgary and Montreal are iconic teams of the end of the 80's. The pentade-system is hurting Oilers little bit, even if they are undisputed team of the 80's)
1981-85: Islanders (1980-84 would fit much better for their period)
1976-79: Montreal
1971-75: Really don't know. Both Broad Street Bullies and Orr's Bruin would fit for me (also depends if it should be 70-74 or 71-75).
1966-70: St. Louis Blues (probably wierd choice... but I choose them as a symbol of expansion as the most important moment of that period)
1961-65: Toronto (I can imagine also picking Chicago, but they only had 1 cup)
1956-60: Montreal (this was really tough choice)
1951-55: Detroit
(about the previous period I have really no knowledge, so just based on the number of cups)
1946-50: Toronto
1941-45: Toronto
1936-40: Detroit
1931-35: Rangers or Toronto (5 different cup winners during that period but... I remember reading some discussion about importance of Rangers and their incomes in saving NHL existence pre-war... is it correct? Otherwise Toronto for 1 cup + 2 finals)
1926-30: Rangers (5 different cup winners again. Giving the edge to Rangers for being the first American team to win the cup)
1921-25: Ottawa Senators vol. 1

(In total I am probably hurting Montreal giving them only 2 pentades... the 66-70 and maybe 71-75 could be easily given to them too; so let's call them team of the century and distribute the individual decades or pentades to other teams)

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In some cases it's really difficult, because some teams were dominant only for a part of a decade.
So I tried to do "half-decade" (pentade) list:
2011-15: Chicago (doesn't matter if the pentade is 10-14 or 11-15, they still manage the same number of cups as Kings... but still probably more dominant)
2006-10: Detroit (homer pick, probably same case can be made for Penguins, I give to Detroit the edge for 2006 Presidents' Trophy)
2001-05(04): New Jersey (if the pentade would be 2000-04, it would be more clear for Jersey; but what other team could be the symbol of dead puck era? )
1996-00: Detroit
1991-95: Pittsburgh
1986-90: Edmonton (well... it has to be Edmonton, 3 cups... but for me personally Calgary and Montreal are iconic teams of the end of the 80's. The pentade-system is hurting Oilers little bit, even if they are undisputed team of the 80's)
1981-85: Islanders (1980-84 would fit much better for their period)
1976-79: Montreal
1971-75: Really don't know. Both Broad Street Bullies and Orr's Bruin would fit for me (also depends if it should be 70-74 or 71-75).
1966-70: St. Louis Blues (probably wierd choice... but I choose them as a symbol of expansion as the most important moment of that period)
1961-65: Toronto (I can imagine also picking Chicago, but they only had 1 cup)
1956-60: Montreal (this was really tough choice)
1951-55: Detroit
(about the previous period I have really no knowledge, so just based on the number of cups)
1946-50: Toronto
1941-45: Toronto
1936-40: Detroit
1931-35: Rangers or Toronto (5 different cup winners during that period but... I remember reading some discussion about importance of Rangers and their incomes in saving NHL existence pre-war... is it correct? Otherwise Toronto for 1 cup + 2 finals)
1926-30: Rangers (5 different cup winners again. Giving the edge to Rangers for being the first American team to win the cup)
1921-25: Ottawa Senators vol. 1

(In total I am probably hurting Montreal giving them only 2 pentades... the 66-70 and maybe 71-75 could be easily given to them too; so let's call them team of the century and distribute the individual decades or pentades to other teams)
The Blues were a symbol of a stupid playoff format. Montreal had four Cups during that 5 year period.

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Mm. The Red Wings are more like the team of 1995 to 2005, rather than one clean decade (or even 1995 to 2010, really).
Still, they do have the most playoff wins and the most regular season points in both the 90s and in the 2000s. I don't know why a team would be judged by any other measure than points/results. The goal of hockey is to win games after all, isn't it?

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In regular season, it's gotta be either Pittsburgh or Detroit since 2000, right? Other than the 4 Cups for Detroit, I think a case could be made that Pittsburgh is the best NHL franchise since 1990.
Pittsburgh is 12th in points since 2000, and third in points since 1990. How does that make them the best NHL franchise?

No team has more regular season points, playoff wins or cups since 1990 than Detroit.

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Mm. The Red Wings are more like the team of 1995 to 2005, rather than one clean decade (or even 1995 to 2010, really).
Agreed. It was all downhill for the most part after the 2010 season, sadly.

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Still, they do have the most playoff wins and the most regular season points in both the 90s and in the 2000s. I don't know why a team would be judged by any other measure than points/results. The goal of hockey is to win games after all, isn't it?
Absolutely. I was actually complementing the Wings in saying that their peak is so long (15+ years) that it isn't really nicely contained by one decade.

I was thinking that their stud-period doesn't really start until the mid-1990s, but maybe I was wrong:
1990 .438%
1991 .475%
1992 .613%
1993 .613%
1994 .595%
Then they go crazy from 1995... But they were certainly in contention, at least, from 1991-92.
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Pittsburgh is 12th in points since 2000, and third in points since 1990. How does that make them the best NHL franchise?
I was thinking more so from 1990-ish, from when they have 4 Stanley Cups (same as Detroit) and 5 Cup Finals' appearances. Sure, if you take it from circa 2000, their regular season record is weaker because of that four seasons or so they were near the bottom (that's how they got Crosby).

Okay, fine, we'll give it to Detroit!

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considering their equal amount of cups with the wings and many seasons as a contender, i think their multiple individual awards gives them the nod over the wings

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Hard to say for certain, only due to the Pens almost fading a bit after the two cups. Granted, they went 7 with Florida in the Conference Finals in 96, but after that, nothing stands out. Then again, one can also say the Wings didn't stand out from 1990 to 1994, in the playoffs, which is true.

Those two teams of that decade at their peak, would have been an awesome match-up to see go up against one another, as a hockey fan.

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Actually, I was thinking this, too (after I posted yesterday). The Wings didn't really become a powerhouse until around 1995, but the Pens were sort-of consistently a top team (playoffs or regular season) for most of the decade and matched Detroit in Cup counting.
I kinda thought their 1992-1994 teams were kinda powerhouse-ish in terms of building towards what they would become.

They finished tops in the West twice (1992, 1994) and barely missed out in 1993.

Maybe not powerhouse yet, but there was a sense Detroit was coming in those years.

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Pittsburgh is 12th in points since 2000, and third in points since 1990. How does that make them the best NHL franchise?

No team has more regular season points, playoff wins or cups since 1990 than Detroit.
Since 1990, they are second in wins in both playoff and regular season.

But yeah Wings were a better team in the 90's and same amount of cups has the pens, they certainly should be consider number one of that decade too.

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Another 5 cups in this decade


1961-1970?

The Leafs (1962, 1963. 1964, 1967)
The Habs (1965, 1966.... 1968*, 1969*)

(* against the St. Louis Blues in expansion era)

The Leafs took the decade!!!!!!

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80s I would give it an even 50-50 split between Oilers and Islanders.
2000s I would give to New Jersey

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