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03-15-2017, 12:08 AM
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80s I would give it an even 50-50 split between Oilers and Islanders.
Come on, if we're talking 1980ish to 1990ish, it's gotta be Edmonton, no? The Oilers became a great team in 1981 and that ended in about 1990. How much more 80s can you get, other than a Rubic's Cube and leg-warmers?

The Islanders became a strong team in about 1975 and that ended in 1984.

Now, if we're talking 1975 to 1984, it would be interesting to compare NYI and the Habs.

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03-15-2017, 07:22 AM
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Come on, if we're talking 1980ish to 1990ish, it's gotta be Edmonton, no? The Oilers became a great team in 1981 and that ended in about 1990. How much more 80s can you get, other than a Rubic's Cube and leg-warmers?

The Islanders became a strong team in about 1975 and that ended in 1984.

Now, if we're talking 1975 to 1984, it would be interesting to compare NYI and the Habs.
Going to play a bit of devil's advocate(and I'm a fan of the 80s Oilers, so don't take this the wrong way.) 81, was an upset of Montreal, and they had 74 points in the regular season. Not sure I would call that a great team. Sure they took the Islanders to 6 games, but still...

82 they blast the scoring record out of the water, win a bunch of games, and then.... get beat by the Kings. A great team doesn't do that. The only other real blemish is 86, but Calgary was very possibly the second best team in the league. That's a completely different scale of upset.

While I side with the Oilers as team of the 80s, I think the 80-82 stretch is an example of giving the team credit for Gretzky's greatness, when in fact, as a team they really weren't hugely impressive as this context would need. I think the argument is a little closer than you make out here.

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03-15-2017, 09:40 AM
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50's - Montreal, Detroit, Toronto
60's - Toronto, Montreal, Chicago
70's - Montreal, Boston, Philadelphia

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03-15-2017, 10:33 AM
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While I side with the Oilers as team of the 80s, I think the 80-82 stretch is an example of giving the team credit for Gretzky's greatness, when in fact, as a team they really weren't hugely impressive as this context would need. I think the argument is a little closer than you make out here.
Well, when I said 1981 I meant starting in 1981-82. I do think you need to consider regular season, as well as playoff achievements, when talking about teams of an era. But anyway, if you take the Islanders vs. Oilers seasonal comparison, year by year (I'll add in the Islanders' 1980 Stanley Cup):

spring 1980
Playoffs
Islanders: Stanley Cup (15-6)
Oilers: 1st-round defeat (0-3)

1980-81
Regular season
Islanders: .688%
Oilers: .463%
Playoffs
Islanders: Stanley Cup (15-3)
Oilers: 2nd-round defeat (4-5)

1981-82
Regular season
Islanders: .738%
Oilers: .694%
Playoffs
Islanders: Stanley Cup (15-4)
Oilers: 1st-round defeat (2-3)

1982-83
Regular season
Islanders: .600%
Oilers: .663%
Playoffs
Islanders: Stanley Cup (15-5)
Oilers: 4th-round defeat (11-5)

1983-84
Regular season
Islanders: .650%
Oilers: .744%
Playoffs
Islanders: 4th-round defeat (12-9)
Oilers: Stanley Cup (15-4)

1984-85
Regular season
Islanders: .538%
Oilers: .681%
Playoffs
Islanders: 2nd-round defeat (4-6)
Oilers: Stanley Cup (15-3)

1985-86
Regular season
Islanders: .563%
Oilers: .744%
Playoffs
Islanders: 1st-round defeat (0-3)
Oilers: 2nd-round defeat (6-4)

1986-87
Regular season
Islanders: .513%
Oilers: .663%
Playoffs
Islanders: 2nd-round defeat (7-7)
Oilers: Stanley Cup (16-5)

1987-88
Regular season
Islanders: .550%
Oilers: .619%
Playoffs
Islanders: 1st-round defeat (2-4)
Oilers: Stanley Cup (16-2)

1988-89
Regular season
Islanders: .381%
Oilers: .525%
Playoffs
Islanders: missed playoffs
Oilers: 1st-round defeat (3-4)

1989-90
Regular season
Islanders: .456%
Oilers: .563%
Playoffs
Islanders: 1st-round defeat (1-4)
Oilers: Stanley Cup (16-6)


So, adding everything up, it goes like this (again, I'm counting the '80 playoffs):

Playoff Appearances:
Islanders: 10 / 11
Oilers: 11 / 11

Stanley Cups 1980 through 1989-90:
Islanders: 4
Oilers: 5
(Of course, it's 4-4 if you wanna eliminate the 1989-90 season from "the 80s". But why would you?)

Playoff W-L record 1980 through 1990:
Islanders: 86-51 (.628%, and one missed playoff entirely)
Oilers: 104-44 (.703%)

Regular season record 1980-81 through 1989-90:
Islanders: .568% (goal-differential +442)
Oilers: .636% (goal-differential +797)


Actually, outside of Dynasty Cup-counting, it's not really close. The Islanders were only the 6th-best regular season team over this period.

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03-15-2017, 10:57 AM
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Since the OP did not specify NHL-only I would say that there is another team that gives the Edmonton Oilers a run for their money when it comes to the strongest club team of the 80's. The team I am talking about is of course CSKA Moscow and in my opinion they have a strong case for being first on that list. CSKA had their most dominant decade ever and won all of the domestic titles as well as all of the European Cup titles during the 80's (1980-1989). Sure the competition for those titles were far from as strong as for the Stanley Cup but in my opinion it is very likely that CSKA Moscow during the 80's was on roughly the same level as most Dynasty teams throughout NHL-history. And what I personally believe puts CSKA Moscow slightly ahead of Edmonton Oilers is that they were extremely dominant during the entire decade while the Oilers had some less dominant years in the beginning of the decade.

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For the 1920s and that fragment of the 1910s after the league was founded, I'd say Ottawa.

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Since the OP did not specify NHL-only I would say that there is another team that gives the Edmonton Oilers a run for their money when it comes to the strongest club team of the 80's. The team I am talking about is of course CSKA Moscow and in my opinion they have a strong case for being first on that list. CSKA had their most dominant decade ever and won all of the domestic titles as well as all of the European Cup titles during the 80's (1980-1989). Sure the competition for those titles were far from as strong as for the Stanley Cup but in my opinion it is very likely that CSKA Moscow during the 80's was on roughly the same level as most Dynasty teams throughout NHL-history. And what I personally believe puts CSKA Moscow slightly ahead of Edmonton Oilers is that they were extremely dominant during the entire decade while the Oilers had some less dominant years in the beginning of the decade.
While I see where your coming from, I don't think the problem with your argument is that CSKA isn't on the level of the Oilers or Islanders (Oilers are more of the 80's team IMO). I thing the glaring issue, like you pointed out, the competition for those titles was far from making it an actual competition.

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03-16-2017, 09:46 AM
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While I see where your coming from, I don't think the problem with your argument is that CSKA isn't on the level of the Oilers or Islanders (Oilers are more of the 80's team IMO). I thing the glaring issue, like you pointed out, the competition for those titles was far from making it an actual competition.
Still I have a hard time seeing the Oilers or Islanders sweeping the decade if they faced the same competition CSKA faced. While far from as strong as the overall competition for the Stanley Cup Dynamo Moscow and Spartak Moscow were still very strong teams during this time frame (especially Spartak during the first half and Dynamo during the second half). I personally have a hard time seeing the 79/80-81/82 Oilers beating them (Spartak and Dynamo) every year or the 84/85-88/89 Islanders beating them every year if they would have played in the same league. Even during the 80's the Soviet League was far more competitive than it is often given credit for. Yes CSKA was the superdynasty but Spartak and Dynamo gave them a real run for their money during some years and both were very strong teams. Especially the Spartak offensive line-up of the early/mid 80's was very strong with players such as Viktor Shalimov, Sergei Kapustin, Sergei Shepelev, Alexander Kozhevnikov and Viktor Tyumenev. During the 81/82 season Spartak had more players in the top 10 in scoring than CSKA for example (Spartak 5, CSKA 4).

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1979-80:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 80 39 2 3 306-118 +188
2 Dynamo Moscou 67 33 1 10 235-127 +108
3 Spartak Moscou 61 28 5 11 195-140 +45

1980-81:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 77 36 5 3 268-98 +170
2 Spartak Moscou 66 30 6 8 220-124 +96
3 Dynamo Moscou 58 25 8 11 192-114 +78

1981-82:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 78 38 2 4 252-87 +165
2 Spartak Moscou 76 38 0 6 247-117 +130
3 Dynamo Moscou 72 34 4 6 220-111 +109

1982-83:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 81 40 1 3 261-73 +188
2 Spartak Moscou 69 33 3 8 208-122 +86
3 Dynamo Moscou 66 30 6 8 159-93 +66

1983-84:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 86 43 0 1 286-80 +206
2 Spartak Moscou 58 26 6 12 214-150 +64
3 Khimik Voskresensk 57 26 5 13 176-159 +17

1984-85:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 68 31 6 3 221-95 +126
2 Dynamo Moscou 67 31 5 4 189-96 +93
3 Sokol Kiev 41 18 5 17 144-151 -7

1985-86:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 69 32 5 3 219-79 +140
2 Dynamo Moscou 55 23 9 8 156-114 +42
3 Spartak Moscou 49 20 9 11 146-119 +25

1986-87:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 74 36 2 2 223-80 +143
2 Dynamo Moscou 60 28 4 8 174-107 +67
3 SKA Leningrad 49 21 7 12 154-134 +20

1987-88:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 27 11 5 2 81-44 +37
2 Dynamo Moscou 26 11 4 3 67-45 +22
3 Dynamo Riga 25 11 3 4 66-46 +20

1988-89:

TeamPointsWTLGF-GADiff
1 CSKA Moscou 51 23 5 8 165-100 +65
2 Dynamo Moscou 46 19 8 9 129-103 +26
3 Krilya Sovietov Moscou 45 18 9 9 113-84 +29

As you can see, the league was actually fairly competitive for large portions of CSKA's run. Only in 1983-84 does is look like the Globetrotters vs. Generals exhibition league that you seem to be suggesting it was every year, and in a number of those seasons (1981-82, 1984-85 and 1987-88), CSKA won by the skin of their teeth.

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03-20-2017, 07:29 AM
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Actually, outside of Dynasty Cup-counting, it's not really close. The Islanders were only the 6th-best regular season team over this period.
Well there was certainly a drop off at the very end with the Islanders. But that can also be a fact that going with the warhorses, and being successful like they were, you can't draft the same. They had great players that hit their prime as the decade began. Meaning they were great in the late 70s. The Oilers have timing on their side in this regard.

I think the regular season part needs to be discounted somewhat by the fact the Oilers played in a much easier division during that era. While Winnipeg had a couple of seasons of being pretty good, Calgary was pretty much it, and that wasn't really until 84. The Flyers, Rangers and Capitals were all awfully close to the equal of Calgary, and the Islanders played each of them 7 times.

Maybe it was due to the format, but the Islanders knew they pretty much just needed to make the playoffs, and they would know what to do after that. Not to mention, in an era where 16 of 21 teams make the playoffs, I'm not sure how much stock I am putting in the regular season for this discussion. What we do know is for the first 5 years, when the Stanley Cup final came around, you knew one team that was playing.

Again, I'm with you on Oilers>Islanders for team of the 80s, but I still think it's a bit closer than being made out.

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