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CBS/Ottawa Sun on board with Theodore trade rumors, involves Denis and Brad Richards

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02-08-2006, 01:14 PM
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I'm willing to bet that if Theodore was waived today, he would go through waivers.

His contract is just too massive for any team to be interested.

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02-08-2006, 01:17 PM
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Why does Tampa trade a one of the better players in the game for a goalie who is not better than the guy they have right now?

I highly doubt the Lighting would want a $5 million underachieving goaltender.

Columbus makes out like bandits....Richards for Denis....steal of a lifetime there.

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02-08-2006, 01:34 PM
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First, lets concede that this rumor is very, very likely BS. I’m sure a call was made or a question was asked between GMs, but I highly doubt this is being actively pursued by any of the GMs, particularly Feaster.

IF it were true, there is no way that Denis-Theo-Richards would be the only assets moving. Prospects, picks and even other players most assuredly would be changing homes.
So people need to quit harping how the one-for-one-for-one isn’t fair.

From a Columbus perspective, great deal. Except there is one problem on this end -- I don’t think Columbus could take on Richards’ new salary. They already have about $16 million wrapped up in Nash, Foote and Fedorov.
They do have the picks and prospects to trade though.

Montreal fans should love this deal, IMO. I really think you’d be pleasantly surprised with Denis in net and the move would free up more than $3 million in cap space to go toward whatever other needs the team has. That’s just with the principal parts - I’m sure the Habs would be getting other pieces too (picks or prospects?).

Tampa gets straight hosed. The ONLY reason I could see them moving Richards is to cut salary. Trading for Theo doesn’t really do that. So, regardless of whatever else they might recieve in this BS rumor, it still makes no sense.

For the sake of discussion, say Tampa has to move Richards (which I don’t think they have to do), it would make more sense to cut the Habs out of the picture and deal directly with Columbus.
In that scenario, they would get a solid, affordable answer in goal for the immediate future and likely a nice windfall of young talent in prospects or high draft picks. Plus, they’d save several million dollars to redirect to other needs on the team.

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02-08-2006, 01:56 PM
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I don't understand why Columbus would be involved in this?

I'd rather have Richards. Wouldn't it make more sense to cut them out and make it a Theo & prospect for Richards proposal?

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Probably not going to happen, but if it did Montreal gets screwed over.

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I don't understand why Columbus would be involved in this?

I'd rather have Richards. Wouldn't it make more sense to cut them out and make it a Theo & prospect for Richards proposal?

Cutting Columbus out makes sense from the Montreal perspective. But, it makes no sense from the Tampa side.

IF Richards is traded, it would be for one reason only -- money. Why trade for a player that is making about the same as the player you want to keep in the first place? If Richards goes anywhere, it will be a salary dump situation. Tampa trading for Theo is not a salary dump.

Columbus and Tampa would make much better trading partners than Tampa and Montreal.

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Montreal fans should love this deal, IMO. I really think you’d be pleasantly surprised with Denis in net and the move would free up more than $3 million in cap space to go toward whatever other needs the team has. That’s just with the principal parts - I’m sure the Habs would be getting other pieces too (picks or prospects?).

Tampa gets straight hosed. The ONLY reason I could see them moving Richards is to cut salary. Trading for Theo doesn’t really do that. So, regardless of whatever else they might recieve in this BS rumor, it still makes no sense.
I'm wondering how many people here have actually seen Denis play this year? Anyone Montreal fan who thinks they get hosed by losing Theo and gaining Denis is absolutely clueless.

People here still dont seem to understand the effect that big a contract has on a player's value.

Montreal makes out like bandits, losing one of the worst contracts in the NHL and gaining one of the most under-rated goalies in the league.

Cbus does well, moving a good but expendable tender for a great player.

Tbay gets laughed at all week long in Vegas.

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I hope Tampa simply keeps Richards, in fact I hope they hand him a 5 year 25-35mil contract when the time comes.

In fact I hope Tampa lands Luongo for 6 mil for 10 years.

I would love to play 20 players againts 5

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Trade is pretty lopsided in my opinion and makes no sense at all. Obviously Columbus get the best side of the deal and with Tampa, not only do they not get fair value for Richards IMO but the trade makes no sense for them whatsoever due to financial reasons. I think Montreal comes out pretty even after all this, and in fact I think Montreal would actually be getting a good deal here. I know many people think Montreal is getting the shaft but Theodore has been struggling terribly this season and if I'm not mistaken the next two years of his contract are in the neighbourhood of 5-6 million. Denis is obviously a lot more affordable for Montreal and he still has potential and I see him having a breakout year very soon.

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Richards isnt going anywhere!

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It still amazes me how little value Richards seems to be worth to some people.
The trade rumours I've heard surrounding this guy are hysterical!

I would expect a goalie in the mold of Luongo to go for Richards.

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One of the worst rumours I've ever seen from Garrioch.

Tampa gets Theodore for Richards? Larf.

Keep dreaming Habs fans.

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I'm willing to bet that if Theodore was waived today, he would go through waivers.

His contract is just too massive for any team to be interested.
thats more because they cant tak on the salary without shedding some of there own... which can only be done in a trade... the fact that a team CAN'T take on his salary from waivers, doesn't mean they won't take on his salary in a trade involving a salary dump of their own.

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Yep

The Tampa Trib yesterday said any talk of Tampa sending Richards out for a goalie is false. I'll take that over Garrioch any day.
And Dave being waved was false as well. When a paper says something is false, it's usually closer to true than false.

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It still amazes me how little value Richards seems to be worth to some people.
The trade rumours I've heard surrounding this guy are hysterical!
That’s the thing, IF Richards was traded it will be because Tampa can’t or doesn’t want to pay him. If it is a salary dump, there is no way you would get fair value for him - likely a package of talented and cheap question marks.

People always want to propose trades where side A has to equal side B, but a lot of trades aren’t like that. Hell, I’d guess most trades aren’t like that.
Factors like level of need, contract situation, amount of a contract, demand for a specific player, and team depth are a reality. Those factors effect value positively and negatively.

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One of the worst rumours I've ever seen from Garrioch.

Tampa gets Theodore for Richards? Larf.

Keep dreaming Habs fans.
Yes, exactly...because were the one's who came up with this trade proposal...Bruce Garrioch is a Habs fan, and posts on these boards

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And Dave being waved was false as well. When a paper says something is false, it's usually closer to true than false.
It's w-a-i-v-e-d, and the first time it was rumored, it WAS false.

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When a paper says something is false, it's usually closer to true than false.
And when Garroich states a rumor, it's usually closer to false than true.

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And Dave being waved was false as well.
That's correct. Feaster, Andreychuk and Andreychuk's agent have all confirmed that he had not been waived when it was reported that he was.

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It's w-a-i-v-e-d, and the first time it was rumored, it WAS false.
W-R-O-N-G, when a "rumor" is stated, it's saying "this may happen" and it did -- therefore being true.

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W-R-O-N-G, when a "rumor" is stated, it's saying "this may happen" and it did -- therefore being true.
Perhaps you should go back and read the papers. What was said was that Andreychuk had been placed on waivers. It did not say he "might" be. He was not on waivers and had not been placed on waivers.

I'm a Lightning fan and I don't recall seeing anything or hearing anyone say he “might” or “would” be placed on waivers. I didn’t hear or read where anyone asked Jay Feaster if he “might be” or “would be” placed on waivers. The question was "is" or "has" Andreychuk been placed on waivers. Since he had not and was not, the answer “no” was 100% accurate.

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Let it go fellas. Last time I checked he's retired, so who cares.

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Let it go fellas. Last time I checked he's retired, so who cares.
Just correcting some misinformation (among other things).

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Just correcting some misinformation (among other things).
Which I suppose should include the fact that he's not actually retired...

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Tampa gets screwed.

Columbus wins the trade easily.

Montreal comes out even.

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