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03-26-2017, 03:07 PM
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Agreed. I think he's a below average GM. He's hit on some good UFA scrap heap guys like Alexander and Brown and has a decent eye for talent in the draft so some people think he's a great talent evaluator. Trading the farm for Sammy Watkins was a huge gaffe given our QB situation and it'll be the move that likely defines his tenure here. This team is about the same as it has been for the last 2 decades and given new ownership that is willing to spend big money, there should have been a step forward taken by now or a rebuild should have been intiated. Ultimately, he should have been canned with Ryan.
I agree. He has been a thoroughly mediocre GM. Some good moves, some bad moves, but on the whole, mediocre. Not surprisingly, the team has also been thoroughly mediocre during his tenure.

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Since he took over in 2014, 19/20 of his draft picks are in the NFL. Karlos Williams is the only one not in but not for a lack of talent, just a lack of smarts.
With how contracts work now, you have to commit crimes or be a publicity stunt to be out of the league in 3 years.

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With McDermott running the show, I'm gonna say top CB at #10.

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I don't get the potential firing of Whaley. He has been a top 10 GM from the beginning. I have never been a fan of giving a coach full authority. There needs to be an objective opinion on both sides.
What does a top 10 GM even mean?

Anyway maybe in most orgs your second point is true. But the Bills are a mess. Pegulas had GM and HC reporting to them separately with no chain of command nor defined roles. The GM has been undermined institutionally so none of this is shocking. It might work better to give one person/McD the power and let him ride or die.

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So we are the inevitable Watkins injury away from having Holmes and Powell as our starting WRs....and people wonder why we want Whaley fired? He's been mediocre in free agency. The roster has gotten weaker since right before free agency to today. And we have 6 draft picks with massive holes all over. This team has no present and no future. No hotshot young QB. A superstar RB with 2-3 prime years left before he falls off (if that). Depressing to be a Buffalo sports fan.

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03-26-2017, 05:56 PM
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I don't think Watkins should be considered a "gaffe'. EJ had shown glimpses that he could be something in his rookie year and with Stevie being dinged up and not as effective, it was identified that a true number one receiver was needed as Stevie was not the answer and EJ needed a security blanket. Doug went and got the top wideout in the draft who is an elite receiver. He paid a price for a guy he identified as a difference maker. He could have balked at the price and stayed put and took a guy like Ebron. It was the right move as the QB spot was thought to have been settled at the time.
Yes, trading up for Watkins in a draft that was loaded with good WR's is considered a gaffe, that's not the type of move you make when you have a giant question mark at QB, and at the very least those were our circumstances heading into that draft. I and a large majority of fans were never sold on EJ. Most never saw enough of those "glimpses" from EJ to ever think he was going to be a long term answer here, both in college and in the 10 regular season games he played in leading up to that draft. So that's also another black mark on Whaley's resume. He may not have drafted Manuel, but I'm sure he played a large role in it given Nix was out the door soon thereafter.

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Firing Whaley after the draft, instead of after the season, would be weird enough. Firing him right before the draft would be just bonkers.
It could be that his replacement can't get away from his team until after the draft. I wouldn't let an executive go until after the draft since they likely spent the entire year collecting information for my team, not another.

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Firing GMs and coaches right at the end of the season doesn't make sense for the teams, it's only so they can find another job promptly. Especially for GMs and scouts.

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Yes, trading up for Watkins in a draft that was loaded with good WR's is considered a gaffe, that's not the type of move you make when you have a giant question mark at QB, and at the very least those were our circumstances heading into that draft. I and a large majority of fans were never sold on EJ. Most never saw enough of those "glimpses" from EJ to ever think he was going to be a long term answer here, both in college and in the 10 regular season games he played in leading up to that draft. So that's also another black mark on Whaley's resume. He may not have drafted Manuel, but I'm sure he played a large role in it given Nix was out the door soon thereafter.
Whaley has always maintained that he owns the Manuel decision. Obviously, Nix played a role, but to his credit from the very beginning Whaley has never tried to avoid that pick, and any time it comes up he quickly asserts that it's on him. It's fair to treat Manuel as Whaley's pick because that's how he wants it seen.

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What does a top 10 GM even mean?

Anyway maybe in most orgs your second point is true. But the Bills are a mess. Pegulas had GM and HC reporting to them separately with no chain of command nor defined roles. The GM has been undermined institutionally so none of this is shocking. It might work better to give one person/McD the power and let him ride or die.
I thought it's been posted before that Bills want to emulate the PIT/DAL/NE model where HC and GM separately report to ownership?

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Mike Rodak of ESPN.com reports that the team has hired Gerry Matalon as a consultant to work with members of the organization. Matalon was a longtime talent executive at ESPN who worked on developing on-air personalities and will be meeting with Bills executives at the league meetings in Arizona this week.

He will work with coach Sean McDermott and his role “might also expand” to advising Whaley, although recent reports have pegged Whaley’s job security as tenuous. The team has also hired a new head of communications this offseason, so they seem equipped to put up a better front should those reports foreshadow Whaley’s departure in the near future.

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03-28-2017, 09:17 AM
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Whaley getting undercut isn't surprising when he's pushed responsibility for crossroads moves onto whoever else held sway at the time.

As a GM, his strengths are more than offset by his weaknesses, and our most effective signings under Rex all had ties to the coach.

He blew three first round picks while in-possession of a top five defense and only has Watkins to show for it. He had two seasons to feed Ryan's insatiable appetite for defensive backs and... didn't. Virtually all of his offensive adds have been inefficient in terms of cap or assets, and his overall cap management locked us into this roster two ****ing years ago. Oh, and all the EJ/Cardale leaks appear to trace back to his camp.

Whaley's resume is awful, glad we're moving on.

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Whaley's cap management has been the biggest flaw, imo.

The Tyrod situation this offseason was absolutely unnecessary. I understand that the Bills have to pay more for players since we're about the least desirable team in the league, but some of the contracts like McCoy and Clay are just brutal.

He went all-in capwise 2 years ago, with a roster that's never looked like a serious contender. He traded serious assets for Watkins while relying on EJ Manuel.

While I do think Whaley has a good eye for talent, he's made some major mistakes that's hard to survive with.

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Problem with that is that his eye for talent is most-evident while under duress. When given a full range of resources and options, he's punted hard.

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Every GM posed with the quarterback problem has looked awful. You can only compare him in that bubble. It's similar to the 1C problem in hockey. You can't really fix it unless you suck, and GMs never can last through that.

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Viewing it as "the QB problem" is a great way to spend three first round picks for the sake of EJ Manuel.

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So much for WR at #10.

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So much for WR at #10.
Note: It's lying season.

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Note: It's lying season.
That's true, however a comment like that (intentions aside) combined with his defensive background to me equals a very very small chance WR is the plan.

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That's true, however a comment like that (intentions aside) combined with his defensive background to me equals a very very small chance WR is the plan.
Or they really want a WR and want to discourage another team from hurdling them.

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Note: It's lying season.
Or, it's a defensive minded head coach who wants to go D with his first pick.

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QB shouldn't be ignored as an option at 10, especially since it looks like a good bet that no QBs will be gone by then.

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