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03-15-2017, 11:42 AM
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Team USA threatens to skip women's hockey worlds in Michigan

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The U.S. women's national hockey team said Wednesday that it will not participate in the IIHF World Championship beginning on March 31 in Plymouth, Michigan, citing more than a year of stalled negotiations with USA Hockey to secure what players consider fair wages and support.

The reigning world champions were set to arrive at training camp on March 21. Players said they believe meaningful progress was not being made in the negotiations and, as a result, informed USA Hockey on Wednesday that unless that happens, they will not report to Michigan.
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The women want equal support for women's hockey. Will boycotting the event when it's held in the US help or hurt the sport?


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In the past, USA Hockey has provided the players with $1,000 per month during the six-month Olympic residency period. According to the players, USA Hockey pays virtually nothing during the remainder of the four-year period, despite its expectation that in each of the non-Olympic years, the players train full-time and compete throughout the year.
I don't know much about how these programs work but it seems fair to expect compensation for the times they work outside of the Olympics.

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The women want equal support for women's hockey. Will boycotting the event when it's held in the US help or hurt the sport?
Regardless of the merits of their case, I think it can only hurt the women's game. It is still struggling to build traction outside the US and Canada. This is a poor time for this kind of action.

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This is a great time to bring to light the issue. If they were to do this when the tournament was in Finland than this pretty much an empty threat that the US can shake off. This boycott is important because these athletes are treated as if they're second class citizens. Canada is lucky that our women's team already dealt with this back in 1998. Fairly compensate these players, treat them with respect and we get back to business.

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Something tells me this gets figured out before 3/31. It would be a massive black eye to the tournament for the defending champion AND host team to be absent. Why even bother holding the games at that point, it's just embarrassing.

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Something tells me this gets figured out before 3/31. It would be a massive black eye to the tournament for the defending champion AND host team to be absent. Why even bother holding the games at that point, it's just embarrassing.
It would be very embarrassing if the tournament went on with the American's participating. If they didn't hold the tournament that's a 500K fine. The players picked a very good moment to do this. They are taking the bumps and bruises so that the future doesn't have to.

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It would be very embarrassing if the tournament went on with the American's participating. If they didn't hold the tournament that's a 500K fine. The players picked a very good moment to do this. They are taking the bumps and bruises so that the future doesn't have to.
Its a very risky move by the player it could move likely it will backfire on them.

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From what I gather, it's more a threat (rather than a fact) at this point...?

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I have to agree with the ladies on this one.

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Regardless of the merits of their case, I think it can only hurt the women's game. It is still struggling to build traction outside the US and Canada. This is a poor time for this kind of action.
...On the contrary. I mean, the WC is held in the US of A. If they do this with the tournament in Sweden, that have no leverage at all. While they do now.

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From what I gather, it's more a threat (rather than a fact) at this point...?
Yes it's a threat. They are boycotting the event until USA Hockey meets their (fair) demands.

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Its a very risky move by the player it could move likely it will backfire on them.
USA Hockey barely even markets the team. The only risk is lying down and being taken advantage of. These players are asked to win Gold medals, be professionals, and also market the game with very little assistance. It's a travesty. The men are asked merely to show up and they barely do that.

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How much revenue do they produce?

Are they being paid in line with revenues?

Same argument with the women and US Soccer.

It's all about how much revenue they produce. Sorry.

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Its a very risky move by the player it could move likely it will backfire on them.
The consequences of backfiring is...
The ladies ending up having more time to themselves to work somewhere with better compensation than what they have now. Hardly a tragedy on the personnal level.

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How much revenue do they produce?

Are they being paid in line with revenues?

Same argument with the women and US Soccer.

It's all about how much revenue they produce. Sorry.
That's mostly how State-ran program are assessed, right...?

Wait...

No State-ran program whatsoever is assessed like that, so I don't know why that reasonning would apply specifically in that case.

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How much revenue do they produce?

Are they being paid in line with revenues?

Same argument with the women and US Soccer.

It's all about how much revenue they produce. Sorry.
All they need to do is generate revenue without marketing. No big deal right? They only have themselves to blame because they don't pool their own personal money for marketing.

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I hate that none of the these stories mention what, if anything, the men's team's get paid during competition.

They absolutely have a point about funding for women's youth hockey (although given the membership split between men and women for USA Hockey is 450K to 75K, it's probably not to uneven a split in funding).

But alot of this comes back to the pay. So thats a crucial part of the story.

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...On the contrary. I mean, the WC is held in the US of A. If they do this with the tournament in Sweden, that have no leverage at all. While they do now.
I don't think they have any real leverage.

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That's mostly how State-ran program are assessed, right...?

Wait...

No State-ran program whatsoever is assessed like that, so I don't know why that reasonning would apply specifically in that case.
US Hockey isn't state-run. It's a private enterprise.

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I hate that none of the these stories mention what, if anything, the men's team's get paid during competition.

They absolutely have a point about funding for women's youth hockey (although given the membership split between men and women for USA Hockey is 450K to 75K, it's probably not to uneven a split in funding).

But alot of this comes back to the pay. So thats a crucial part of the story.
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Even though it is USA Hockey's legal obligation as the governing body to develop opportunities for both boys and girls, according to the U.S women it spends more than $3.5 million per year to support boys participating in its national team development program. That $3.5 million goes to support a schedule of more than 60 games a season for teenage boys, with no comparable development opportunities for girls.
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The consequences of backfiring is...
The ladies ending up having more time to themselves to work somewhere with better compensation than what they have now. Hardly a tragedy on the personnal level.
When the womens world cup was in Canada team Usa and some others said we refuse to play on astro turf they sued etc the result is they got a lot of hate many said there acting like spoiled brats.

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That quote has nothing to do with what I am asking. They spend 3.5 million on the USNDP to play in the USHL. That's not the Men's national team

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I hate that none of the these stories mention what, if anything, the men's team's get paid during competition.
The better comparison would probably be the women's soccer team, wrestlers, badminton, field hockey, waterpolo players etc.

It's kind of pointless to compare with athletes in high-revenue sports that make their living from pro leagues (and that includes women's tennis players and golfers, so it's not just men).

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How much revenue do they produce?

Are they being paid in line with revenues?

Same argument with the women and US Soccer.

It's all about how much revenue they produce. Sorry.
In soccer the US women's team actually made that argument when the brought in more revenue than the men's team, but getting paid a laughable fraction anyway. People were still just talking all over them anyway.

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The Plymout ice arena seats 3,500 (4300 with standing room). You can buy a tournament package for $155, and a single game (except US) for $10, or US games for $25. The entire ticket sales for the tournament will be under $500,000. There is probably no television package. After expenses, i wouldn't be surprised if US Hockey comes out of the tournament in the red. It's a tough issue.

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it's women's hockey, not ladies.

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