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Phoenix CXXV: Relocating One Seat at a Time

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03-16-2017, 05:55 PM
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Has an NHL team ever done this? Seems very uncommon.
Not sure if an NHL team has, but IIRC MLB teams and NASCAR racetracks have done this (in fact, several NASCAR tracks have removed entire grandstands, including at Daytona International Speedway and recently Phoenix International Raceway, because of "excess inventory").

This actually takes GRA's hockey seating below 16,000. It looks like their aim is to rival MTS Centre for the smallest seating capacity in the league...

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Not sure if an NHL team has, but IIRC MLB teams and NASCAR racetracks have done this (in fact, several NASCAR tracks have removed entire grandstands, including at Daytona International Speedway and recently Phoenix International Raceway, because of "excess inventory").

This actually takes GRA's hockey seating below 16,000. It looks like their aim is to rival MTS Centre for the smallest seating capacity in the league...
15,869 to be exact...

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15,869 to be exact...
Ahead of only Barclay's Center and MTS Centre.

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Ahead of only Barclay's Center and MTS Centre.
And, well behind their pricing...

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This actually takes GRA's hockey seating below 16,000. It looks like their aim is to rival MTS Centre for the smallest seating capacity in the league...
Nothing wrong with that. It's better to have a full building with less seats than a half empty building with more seats.

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Not sure if an NHL team has, but IIRC MLB teams and NASCAR racetracks have done this (in fact, several NASCAR tracks have removed entire grandstands, including at Daytona International Speedway and recently Phoenix International Raceway, because of "excess inventory").

This actually takes GRA's hockey seating below 16,000. It looks like their aim is to rival MTS Centre for the smallest seating capacity in the league...
Yeah, the Oakland A's tarped off the entire upper deck (Mount Davis). The practice goes way back, although way back it was usually only for a game here or there (even Wrigley Field did it back in the 1970s or so).

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Ahhh...based on the activity in the Seattle thread...here is a theory...

- June 2017 - new group is awarded renovation of Key Arena, renovations start on an accelerated schedule

- 2017/18 is the last season in Glendale; after season ends, announcement is made that team is 'sold' for relocate to Seattle

- Key Arena renovations completed in time for the 2018/19 season

Anyway...it is just a theory...

Edited based on tweet: Well..maybe that theory is now shot...
Well, if Buttman is really serious about finding a solution for Arizona, then why did he rule out the best and likely only solution...GRA ?
Moonshot financing schemes, IMO is not showing any dedication to finding a solution. It would likely be much easier properly promoting the team in Glendale and filling GRA than it would be to find a sucker to pay their way. Someone mentioned earlier that if they are serious about growing the game in the south, here is their chance... 20 miles from their "fan base" is a crock...they want to grow the game 2000 miles from their best markets BUT 20 miles is too far??

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15,869 to be exact...
Nice.

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Well, the announcement about tarping the corners pretty much shoots down the possibility of a ARZ>>QUE relocation this summer.

I would say that NHL is taking over the franchise again, because IA is out of money, and NHL is waiting to see what develops in Seattle.

Only piece of real news left now is that the bill doesn't pass.

And, what happens in Seattle.

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Well, the announcement about tarping the corners pretty much shoots down the possibility of a ARZ>>QUE relocation this summer.

I would say that NHL is taking over the franchise again, because IA is out of money, and NHL is waiting to see what develops in Seattle.

Only piece of real news left now is that the bill doesn't pass.

And, what happens in Seattle.
It doesn't mean anything IMO MNN as we don't even know yet if they will submit the bill for the new arena before the deadline...

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Well, the announcement about tarping the corners pretty much shoots down the possibility of a ARZ>>QUE relocation this summer.

I would say that NHL is taking over the franchise again, because IA is out of money, and NHL is waiting to see what develops in Seattle.

Only piece of real news left now is that the bill doesn't pass.

And, what happens in Seattle.
NOPE, it means this is year 5, MNN, of the original AGREEMENT, and now will there be a lease extension more than a year to year, where does it state that IA is in default, or LeBlanc violated the League constitution by-laws?

Moyes illegally placed the franchise into BK, BUT was that decision legal, or did the NHL only win the right to determine where a franchise/member club can play....

it may be true to see how fast Seattle can get up to speed post 1998, or whether SODO actually gets cleared, because, frankly, Key IS NOT A LONG-TERM ANSWER

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Yes, the Panthers have tarped the upper bowl recently.
2010 to be exact.

May have got sponsorship money out of the deal, too.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2010/08/26/...ve-attendance/

So is it a bad move to tarp off seats that more than likely end up unsold and get some advertising income out of it??

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NOPE, it means this is year 5, MNN, of the original AGREEMENT, and now will there be a lease extension more than a year to year, where does it state that IA is in default, or LeBlanc violated the League constitution by-laws?

Moyes illegally placed the franchise into BK, BUT was that decision legal, or did the NHL only win the right to determine where a franchise/member club can play....

it may be true to see how fast Seattle can get up to speed post 1998, or whether SODO actually gets cleared, because, frankly, Key IS NOT A LONG-TERM ANSWER
HUTCH, I have explained to you a dozen times that the original agreement was changed 2 years ago, and the 5-year clause was crossed out. Why do you continue to act and write otherwise?

The fact is that the 2-year agreement, which was signed by both COG and IA in summer of 2015 is expiring on June 30. And, together with AEG, the parties have made a contract by which the lease is extended year by year unless one party decides not to. 2017-18 will be the first year of that arrangement.

Also, why do you keep referencing Moyes and the BK? It has nothing to do with this...


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2010 to be exact.

May have got sponsorship money out of the deal, too.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2010/08/26/...ve-attendance/

So is it a bad move to tarp off seats that more than likely end up unsold and get some advertising income out of it??
No problem at all TL... who do you have in mind?... Hells Half Acre?... Dave & Busters?.... The Yardhouse?.... maybe that new BMW Dealership thats opening up... designated with the special Alpina status... the only other one with that in the SW is in Beverly Hills.... looks like the moneys moving in... shame IA & the NHL refuse to stick around & cultivate any of it.

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You expected otherwise from anyone involved with the NHL?

Arizona, sad to say, is not the only place where exploiters flourish in the name of hockey.
That pretty much sums up the history of the league.

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From listening him talk, Leiweke sounds like a snake oil salesman. He is trying to sell his vision to the Seattle public. I smell something funky from him...Just my take
Are Leiweke and Leblanc related? Could be an interesting combo creating nothing in a place called nowhere.

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The 'tarping' is official...
Why would they be announcing this now? What possible good comes from admitting that the tarping is an admittance that al is not well in coyote land. From Tony spewing all of his optimism regarding then piles of dirt to tarping? This situation is deteriorating far quicker than ever before. I can`t see how they could possibly play a lame duck season under these circumstances.

There is no possible way they make the cap floor, then what happens, are they fined for their malfeasance?

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What an absolutely embarrassing situation tarping off 4 sections. This ownership has run the team into the ground this badly. Attendance will likely mirror how it was during the league owned years.

If they are staying next season, it's going to be a long one again

Looking ahead to tomorrow at the legislature. When do they post the agenda?

http://www.azleg.gov/Alis-Today/?sda...7-03-17&view=2

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it shows blank. Nothing scheduled.

Is it too early or is the legislature closed tomorrow?

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Well, the announcement about tarping the corners pretty much shoots down the possibility of a ARZ>>QUE relocation this summer.

I would say that NHL is taking over the franchise again, because IA is out of money, and NHL is waiting to see what develops in Seattle.

Only piece of real news left now is that the bill doesn't pass.

And, what happens in Seattle.
I would not rule out anything and read too much on the next season tarping. Because until the big fish at the top decide to do something, the day to day management have to work on plan for next season regardless. We go back to Atlanta selling season tickets the morning the sale to TSNE was official. You can't afford to put the whole business on hold for a month every bloody time Garry is having a Mexican standoff. Even if you know that sooner or later it going to end like Reservoir Dogs.

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Why would they be announcing this now? What possible good comes from admitting that the tarping is an admittance that al is not well in coyote land. From Tony spewing all of his optimism regarding then piles of dirt to tarping? This situation is deteriorating far quicker than ever before. I can`t see how they could possibly play a lame duck season under these circumstances.

There is no possible way they make the cap floor, then what happens, are they fined for their malfeasance?
Season ticket holders had started to report it. At that point, they have to release it.

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2010 to be exact.

May have got sponsorship money out of the deal, too.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2010/08/26/...ve-attendance/

So is it a bad move to tarp off seats that more than likely end up unsold and get some advertising income out of it??
Absolutely horrible PR move, it screams desperation that the reality of a lame duck is now upon them! Only team in the NHL having to resort to such a move. It speaks volumes of how this ownership group has essentially given up. The tarps are a symbol of DEFEAT! Spin it as you like with advertising this is a sad development in the charade of IA and the NHL!

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What an absolutely embarrassing situation tarping off 4 sections. This ownership has run the team into the ground this badly. Attendance will likely mirror how it was during the league owned years.
You're right. I wouldn't be surprised to see 5,000 or 6,000-person crowds next season at the non-Blackhawks/Red Wings games. I'm seeing more indications from some of my friends who kept their season tix this year that they are going to refuse to renew until there is some direction on what the team is doing. No reason to spend the money if the team is going to suck and there will be impending relocation looming over everything again.

What an ignominious end we're headed for.

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What an absolutely embarrassing situation tarping off 4 sections. This ownership has run the team into the ground this badly. Attendance will likely mirror how it was during the league owned years.

If they are staying next season, it's going to be a long one again

Looking ahead to tomorrow at the legislature. When do they post the agenda?

http://www.azleg.gov/Alis-Today/?sda...7-03-17&view=2

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it shows blank. Nothing scheduled.

Is it too early or is the legislature closed tomorrow?
That is because...nothing has been scheduled...

Likely, with tomorrow being St. Patrick's Day...making it a long bender of a weekend for those overworked government employees...

That leaves just five...count'em...five days left to bring SB1149 to the Senate floor for voting...

From what I am hearing...LeBlanc's 'bill' is still dead...no support...and will not come up for a Senate floor vote...

However, there may be some fast shuffling of some current bills where another 'strike everything' is done...possibly the language gets 'slipped' into another Senate or House bill...or even possibly into the budget...during last minute 'revisions' to balance it...

All is plausible but highly unlikely...

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HUTCH, I have explained to you a dozen times that the original agreement was changed 2 years ago, and the 5-year clause was crossed out. Why do you continue to act and write otherwise?

The fact is that the 2-year agreement, which was signed by both COG and IA in summer of 2015 is expiring on June 30. And, together with AEG, the parties have made a contract by which the lease is extended year by year unless one party decides not to. 2017-18 will be the first year of that arrangement.

Also, why do you keep referencing Moyes and the BK? It has nothing to do with this...
and you missed that the 2017-18 season is alive and well past 6/30/17, thanks to our friends in Arizona, MNN, so the 6/30/17 BECOMES 6/30/18, if THE CONTRACT has BEEN EXTENDED past 6/30/17, WHICH NULLIFIES any clause and/or relocation after 2016/17....

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and you missed that the 2017-18 season is alive and well past 6/30/17, thanks to our friends in Arizona, MNN, so the 6/30/17 BECOMES 6/30/18, if THE CONTRACT has BEEN EXTENDED past 6/30/17, WHICH NULLIFIES any clause and/or relocation after 2016/17....
And you are telling all of us that you are happy that they will be playing at GRA next season? This will be one of the biggest black eyes on the NHL ever! This will be sad, not only will nobody go to the games and support a bunch of sad sack owners and corrupt NHL. i think the players may well abandon the effort, no way this team comes even close to the cap floor! And HUTCH, you think this is good?

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