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03-17-2017, 01:44 PM
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If we want a top 6 C, a good place to start would be actually drafting centres in the early rounds of the draft.

Aside from Galchenyuk, the last C we drafted in the first round was Kyle Chipchura in 2004. The last time we drafted a C in the 2nd round was Ben Maxwell in 2006 (unless you consider DLR drafted as a C, but I think he was a LW when drafted).

The obvious point here is that in order for a top-6 C to suddenly emerge in an organization, they have to be drafted in the first place. And there have been some nice C's drafted in the 2nd half of the 1st round - Fabbri (21st '14) and Colin White (21st '15) come to mind. Yes, they were drafted before we selected, but we should really consider moving up for a shot at a decent C in the ~20 range. Unfortunately in '14 and '15 we didn't have a 2nd rounder which probably made moving up impossible in those drafts, but with 5 in the next 2 rounds, I hope MB is thinking about moving up and specifically targeting a C.
Even if we manage to hit a home run it will take at least 2~3 years before he could help this team... You rarely draft players that are NHL ready out of the top 10...

Bergevin should be sleeping at Shipachev's door at this point because if not we're ****ed!

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03-17-2017, 03:11 PM
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Luck? Could have just drafted a highly-skilled Franco-Ontarian dominating the Q rather than a beanpole defenceman playing well for a Minnesotan High School in 2006.

I mean FFS Giroux had 103 points that year, 22 more than 2nd place on his team (a 19 year old Krejci). Just an idiotic blunder.
Timmins is reminded of this every time he comes to the Old Bob.

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I can already see two top 6 C's potentially available this summer. RNH and Duchene. MB needs to get one of those guys.

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My preference for acquiring a top center would be to get one through the draft. There might be one available in the middle of the first round in 2018, but that's uncertain, perhaps unlikely. However, I'd be willing to take my chances rather than make a desperation trade to move up because such a trade to move up might be too costly.

The second option is to hope that Duchene is available in a trade. I don't foresee any realistic hope of acquiring Tavares because either he'll re-sign with the Isles or he'd prefer to go to some other team.

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03-17-2017, 04:13 PM
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The centers for Columbus were Dubinsky and Wennberg. Dubinsky's ice time is higher than Gagner's ( by 4 minutes a game ),even though Gagner has more points. Again, I just used the site's top 2.
You are correct on the CBJs centers.

Great job on your research!

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03-17-2017, 04:15 PM
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If Shipachev goes elsewhere, Jan Kovar is likely the next best European centre. Undrafted, but has consistently had high production and played well with top scorers like Mozyakin. He's only 26, he could be a dark horse option for #2C. If what I've read is correct, he's free to come over contract-wise.

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03-17-2017, 05:09 PM
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If Shipachev goes elsewhere, Jan Kovar is likely the next best European centre. Undrafted, but has consistently had high production and played well with top scorers like Mozyakin. He's only 26, he could be a dark horse option for #2C. If what I've read is correct, he's free to come over contract-wise.
Wow, that guy looks legit... 17 points in 9 PO games this year...

I'm afraid he's a Mozyakin product... But Zaripov got only 45 points...

I guess they play on the same line? Mozyakin-Kovar-Zaripov...

Semin with 30 points on the same team

Kovar is 57% in FO also...

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03-17-2017, 05:23 PM
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Our curse: No Having a Top Center for decades.

The Flyers' curse: Not having a Top Goalie for generations.

Next summer, we do a swap.
But their top centers are suspect?
They do have a good winger though.

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Jan Kovar is probably a 35-40 point max guy in the NHL.
He's a bit of a Shtroumph also.
Still better than Plekanec.

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We cannot live with Danault, Pleks next year. I know some think Hudon may be that number two center, but that is not likely considering he is not even dominating at the AHL level.
He's also not a centre.

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Jan Kovar is probably a 35-40 point max guy in the NHL.
He's a bit of a Shtroumph also.
5'11" 216 lbs as per elite prospects! I don't know how accurate is his weight but that's a lot for his height! Pacioretty is listed at 215 lbs.

Shaw is 5'11" 180 lbs...

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Wow, that guy looks legit... 17 points in 9 PO games this year...

I'm afraid he's a Mozyakin product... But Zaripov got only 45 points...

I guess they play on the same line? Mozyakin-Kovar-Zaripov...

Semin with 30 points on the same team

Kovar is 57% in FO also...
Yep, they played on the same line the game I watched. Kovar is solid. Didn't see any issues defensively, he had no problem keeping up with the play and skated well. Good shooter and that line created a LOT of offence. Definitely looked better than Zaripov.

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Yep, they played on the same line the game I watched. Kovar is solid. Didn't see any issues defensively, he had no problem keeping up with the play and skated well. Good shooter and that line created a LOT of offence. Definitely looked better than Zaripov.
After digging a bit, why is Shipachev considered better than this guy?

Kovar is younger and outproduced Shipachev in 2 out of the 4 seasons he's been in the KHL...

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We have an elite centre. I'm confident he will deliver next year after a summer under Julien's tutelage.

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After digging a bit, why is Shipachev considered better than this guy?

Kovar is younger and outproduced Shipachev in 2 out of the 4 seasons he's been in the KHL...
Had an unreal IIHF WC. Way more international exposure and plays in St.Petersburg.

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I think we'll soon see the guy called @hardworker coming in this thread and post like a zillion trade proposals for top 6 center

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Kovar is 5'10 171 on hockey DB lol
Not accurate. He looks to be about 5'11 and definitely weighs more than 171. I think 216 sounds a bit excessive though He's built wide though.

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03-17-2017, 07:21 PM
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MB should sign Shipachev to a 2 year contract because 2018 free agency sucks while 2019 looks pretty good. If he does so, he'll solitify the top 6 next year when Scherbak plays his rookie season. Like Pacioretty when he was a prospect, I prefer if he plays in a top 6 role immediately or else he's better suited playing in the AHL.

Juulsen has spent the last 4-5 years being developed as an all situation defenceman by Kevin Constantine in Everett which is known for being one of if not the most defensively disciplined team in the CHL. The reason Beaulieu won't play in the Top 4 is because no one complements his game well besides Weber whom faces top line players which Beaulieu isn't good enough for. Juulsen is Beaulieu's solution to playing in the future top 4 when Petry is eventually traded to make room.

Sergachev should rotate beside Petry primarily, and Weber on the top 4 next season. I think next year's team will be better but it will be a transition year because all all the new bodies. I think the team moving forward will entice Price enough for him to sign a long term. The team next year should be:

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Scherbak-Shipachev-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw
Byron-McCarron-Mitchell
Markov-Weber
Sergachev-Petry
Beaulieu-Juulsen (Benn)
Price
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Kovar is 5'10 171 on hockey DB lol
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Not accurate. He looks to be about 5'11 and definitely weighs more than 171. I think 216 sounds a bit excessive though He's built wide though.
Watched some videos on youtube and he definitely doesn't look like a smurf. And yeah he's built wide.

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This one is funny, Kovar ties the game with 15 seconds to go on a Semin feed and Radulov goes ballistic on the bench!


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There's no harm in signing Kovar and/or Shipachyov to short term contracts, which is what I imagine they will do.

If they work out? Great. If not, they go back to Europe, we let their contracts expire and it's over.

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I think if we could acquire a good 2c Pacioretty will make look like a 1c. He's made some duds look good ie. DD.

Can tell a #1 center hard to get since we haven't had one since Pierre Turgeon. Back in 1996, and not a good #1 center since Kirk Muller.

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I think if we could acquire a good 2c Pacioretty will make look like a 1c. He's made some duds look good ie. DD.

Can tell a #1 center hard to get since we haven't had one since Pierre Turgeon. Back in 1996, and not a good #1 center since Kirk Muller.
Saku Koivu was a #1 center, he just never had any wingers with him until he had suffered his injuries and father time was catching up to him.

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Saku Koivu was a #1 center, he just never had any wingers with him until he had suffered his injuries and father time was catching up to him.
Koivu ? He was small and a piece of glass. He missed almost as many games as he played.

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