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03-18-2017, 07:12 AM
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Does Nic Petan Still Have A Future With The Jets?

When Roslovic or Connor have the puck on their stick with the Moose this year you definitely have the feeling that there could soon be a goal for the Moose. Both have better numbers on the Moose than Petan did when he was promoted to the Jets.

Last year I would be more likely to have that same feeling that there could be a goal coming if DeLeo or Lipon had the puck and lesser so if Petan had the puck. Petan and Lipon had similar PPG stats and DeLeo slightly less. Petan on the power play? Lipon had more PPP and DeLeo had twice as many.

Petan has been with the big club all year and has struggled. He has the lowest shooting percentage on the team. Fans blame his usage, his linemates etc. He is beginning to look a lot like he is our new Burmistrov.

With Roslovic and Connor waiting in the wings does Petan have a future with the Jets? Should he have a future?

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It is a good question. Petan certainly looked good in the last game against the Islanders.

Here's what I would say for sure. We have more promising young forwards than we can use. I put Petan in that category. Petan has a future somewhere. It's unclear if that is with the Jets.

Petan, Connor, Roslovic, and Dano are all guys who will very likely have significant NHL careers. And there are a few more good forward prospects a tier below that. None of which had a regular spot on the Jets this year, either until injury call-up, or they were sent back down to the Moose pretty quickly.

I think the most common sentiment among HFJets is that we need to trade from a position of abundance (our forwards) for a position of need (defense). I would certainly consider Petan in such a trade.

I would also be very happy to see Petan as part of a young 3A/3B scoring line on the Jets. Perhaps paired with players like Armia, Dano, or Connor. Maybe even Copp. I could see him eventually moving up to the 2nd line if he plays out his career with the Jets.

He's got a few things to work on. But I love his vision and play making ability. I think he could be a key piece on a top PP unit as well.

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Under the current coaches it's 50-50 at best....with the right coach yes for sure he could be a really productive asset on a scoring 3rd line. I think he will have a decent NHL career but I am not sure if that's in Winnipeg. Thankfully for Nic the NHL is trending in the skill direction so I think he will find a home somewhere.

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Under the current coaches it's 50-50 at best....with the right coach yes for sure he could be a really productive asset on a scoring 3rd line. I think he will have a decent NHL career but I am not sure if that's in Winnipeg. Thankfully for Nic the NHL is trending in the skill direction so I think he will find a home somewhere.
Exactly my sentiment as well.

If Maurice is extended, Petan will have to find greener pastures elsewhere. I can really see him excelling in the right situation. Petan has tonnes of upside despite the apparant slow start to his pro career.

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Exactly my sentiment as well.

If Maurice is extended, Petan will have to find greener pastures elsewhere. I can really see him excelling in the right situation. Petan has tonnes of upside despite the apparant slow start to his pro career.
I like Petan. I agree that he will become a very effective player too. Hope its with the Jets.

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It seems to me that Petan's ceiling with the Jets is as our third line centre. Assuming Lowry's line is our 4th line who are Petan's wingers? Petan is a setup man who needs to play centre. If Roslovic and Connor are ready next year Petan may be too slow to play with them. Aside from that one rush last game Petan has never shown himself to be able to play with pace. That third line centre spot may be a better spot for Roslovic to begin his NHL career.

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It might come down to how the expansion draft plays out. I could definitely see a spot for him on the roster, but he needs to play centre. He could make a good third line with Perreault and Armia. Even if he plays on the fourth line, the team could roll a solid four lines with skill when everyone is healthy.

If Roslovic does take his spot in training camp, then I hope we move Petan for some defensive depth.

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This a good question. Nice thread discussion. And the right answer is maybe. Though I wouldn't lay it on Maurice. All players need to take advantage of opportunities and make good things happen. I've been a little sour on Petan lately but was very impressed with his last game. Games like that give you more opportunity. IMO at least Petan has had some difficulties adapting to the pro game. He is never going to be the big point getter where the offense flows through him like he was in junior. He will make a career playing like Matty P. Lots of pace and tenacious on the puck and then use his offensive skills when chances present themselves. The ability to play center and then shift to wing as needed will benefit him along the way.

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I have to say, as someone who has been willing to extend as much rope to Paul Maurice as possible, if keeping Paul Maurice comes at the cost of having to dispose of Nic Petan (who I still believe will be a middle six forward for years to come, and possibly a very important PP/3v3 piece) then it's not worth it.

I would really like to see Paul think more outside the box. I love the personality he has in a coach, but I would really love to see him do some more tricky stuff. I think Nic Petan is a piece that can be used to that end.

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I think his future with the Jets comes down to a couple of things:

1) what they ultimately decide to do with Little. If Little is extended than I think you see Petan moved.

2) Expansion draft. If they loose Perrault then I think he may have a role here as well.

I'd caution people on what he's shown so far. I similar type player in Grandlund only broke out this season and he's 25. I think Petan can be a good number 2 C in the right circumstances. On the other hand this team needs another good dmen and if we can use Petan as part of a package to get one then you look at it.

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I think the Jets believe they have better options than Petan for their lineup going forward, namely Connor and Roslovic. Both those players add a high speed element that Petan doesn't.

Petan has a tendency to be too cute with his playmaking, especially on the pp, and turns the puck over too often.

Does he have skill? Obviously. Does he play a team game that protects the puck and creates chances down low? Not as often as the Jets likely want him too.

I don't see Petan here once other young players arrive. Unless you have to move Connor or Roslovic for a young dman you want.

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PMO as coach? Questionable

New coach? Likely yes

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It seems to me that Petan's ceiling with the Jets is as our third line centre. Assuming Lowry's line is our 4th line who are Petan's wingers? Petan is a setup man who needs to play centre. If Roslovic and Connor are ready next year Petan may be too slow to play with them. Aside from that one rush last game Petan has never shown himself to be able to play with pace. That third line centre spot may be a better spot for Roslovic to begin his NHL career.
If you accept the need to trade forward strength for D then a trade might open a spot for Petan. Maybe Roslovic is the one moved. Or Connor. Maybe Perreault is moved and Petan plays LW. There are many possibilities. Is trading Petan going to bring the best value?

I think we can all agree he has had terrible puck luck. We can see that he is not thriving playing on a 4th line with Thorburn. We don't know how he will handle other circumstances until he is given some other opportunity. All he was given last year was 4th line too .... with Thor. He is completely miscast in that role.

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If you accept the need to trade forward strength for D then a trade might open a spot for Petan. Maybe Roslovic is the one moved. Or Connor. Maybe Perreault is moved and Petan plays LW. There are many possibilities. Is trading Petan going to bring the best value?

I think we can all agree he has had terrible puck luck. We can see that he is not thriving playing on a 4th line with Thorburn. We don't know how he will handle other circumstances until he is given some other opportunity. All he was given last year was 4th line too .... with Thor. He is completely miscast in that role.
This is a good point. It is unlikely at this point that Petan holds the value to other teams to get us very far in obtaining a LHD. Likely a lot more opens up if the Jets are willing to part with Roslovic and especially Connor.

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Petan has lots of skill obviously. However he is undersized and doesn't have enough strength to make up for it. I would say his shot is also on the weaker side. Personally I don't think Petan has the speed to play an entire season in a top 6 role, the pace would be too much for him.

I would say his skill is potential for top 6, but I think he'll end up being more of a bottom 6 player and with the right PP he could become much more productive.

I personally think the jets see a future of scheifele, little, roslovic and Lowry as their centers.

I think he has a NHL future but not with the jets.

I do think a team with the right fit will be happy with him. I see that as a PP specialist while being a mediocre third liner.

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I think his future with the Jets comes down to a couple of things:

1) what they ultimately decide to do with Little. If Little is extended than I think you see Petan moved.

2) Expansion draft. If they loose Perrault then I think he may have a role here as well.

I'd caution people on what he's shown so far. I similar type player in Grandlund only broke out this season and he's 25. I think Petan can be a good number 2 C in the right circumstances. On the other hand this team needs another good dmen and if we can use Petan as part of a package to get one then you look at it.
I agree but I doubt he has much trade value, having not established himself in the NHL yet. He just may not be a piece who can be moved for a decent return.

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I think the Jets believe they have better options than Petan for their lineup going forward, namely Connor and Roslovic. Both those players add a high speed element that Petan doesn't.

Petan has a tendency to be too cute with his playmaking, especially on the pp, and turns the puck over too often.

Does he have skill? Obviously. Does he play a team game that protects the puck and creates chances down low? Not as often as the Jets likely want him too.

I don't see Petan here once other young players arrive. Unless you have to move Connor or Roslovic for a young dman you want.
100%. I personally have never seen what some guys on here think on how amazing he is. I see a guy who is highly skilled who hasn't figured out how to be a effective NHL players yet.
Sure he will somewhere but I doubt it's here.

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Petan needs to stay and play with proper line mates.

Maurice gets sacrificed before Petan.

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I never thought he had a future here and looks as if my predictions are starting to come true.

Maybe if we were thinner on quality forward prospect depth, but considering the youth currently in the lineup that is far better and playing important roles, and the players that are in development who are sure to fit the Jets needs better, I think that Petan will be best served as a trade chip for a real need.

I said he'd be a 4th liner, PP specialist, and he's struggled to even achieve that. Show me whatever fancy stats or charts you want the proof is in the pudding.

I think that Petan could be a decent top 6 guy on a team that is thin on forward talent, but that's not us. I like a more balanced lineup and Petan throws that balance off IMO.

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Petan has played 71 games in the NHL, in a miscast role and people decide he's proven not to be an NHL player, at 21? Ok then.

I like how Roslovic is a can't miss, despite having never stepped on an NHL ice surface but somehow Petan won't make it. The guy definitely has potential to be here, I wouldn't bet against Petan lining up at 3C ahead of Roslo next season, of course that would require the right coach to slot him ahead of Lowry and realize his third line could score a lot more as a result.

He'll have to earn it, which is good, it would be short sighted not to give him the opportunity.

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I always thought Petan was a player who would replace Perreault, but when we re-signed Perreault to the extension, it made me thing Petan had no future with the Jets. Now if we trade Perreault or if he's taken in the expansion draft, I think that would help Petan.

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Petan needs to stay and play with proper line mates.

Maurice gets sacrificed before Petan.
Petan has not emerged as a top 6 player. Probably never will. At least with the Jets.

Moving him back to centre has been semi-successful, but I think we screwed up last year, like we screwed up this year with Connor. Draft and develop is not bringing a kid fresh out of junior or college and throwing him into the fire. The fans may awe about youth, but there is alot to be said for properly developing players, letting them learn systems, and getting confidence with maturity. If we had taken the Tyler Johnson approach we may have got Tyler Johnson results, as Petan has unreal skill and vision. He may be a little slower however, and seems to be tentative, focusing on the defensive side of the game, sacrificing offensive potential. A lot of talk about linemates, I think the ideal linemates for Petan would be DeLeo (chemistry), and Dano.

I think with Kompon here, he will stick around. He can help a PP. And we are not that deep in center. Harkins development may ultimately decide Nic's fate.

The problem is in fact that we have so many skilled players that we can not field an adequate roster of PKers. None of Laine, Ehlers, Petan, Perreault or Dano help in this regard, and Scheifele is a work in progress in this aspect. Add Connor and the problem grows larger.

Little things that make a difference in the end.

The expansion draft will probably factor in immensely. He may get more ice time if the Jets brass decides to expose Perreault.

If we lose a Lowry, Copp, or Armia, look for one of our offensive forwards to be sacrificed for defensive ones in trades or in training camp.

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How many games has Petan played without Thorburn this year?
(I'm too lazy to look that up myself)
Ehlers went on a point drought in that situation himself last year.

When Petan first got recalled from the Moose this season I thought he looked really good. He was even starting to make defensive plays with his stick (kind of a knee slide stab at the puck). He seemed to be able to pass "through" defenders at will, which is kind of important when you're trying to set up the Laine bomb and teams are over protecting those lanes.

His injury really derailed his game and since he came back he seems to be getting caught trying to pass through those same situations except now it doesn't really work for him.

I'm really rooting for him to be a Jet... just hoping he can translate a bit more of his dominant offensive game from Junior and Team Canada World Juniors to our team.

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I never thought he had a future here and looks as if my predictions are starting to come true.

Maybe if we were thinner on quality forward prospect depth, but considering the youth currently in the lineup that is far better and playing important roles, and the players that are in development who are sure to fit the Jets needs better, I think that Petan will be best served as a trade chip for a real need.

I said he'd be a 4th liner, PP specialist, and he's struggled to even achieve that. Show me whatever fancy stats or charts you want the proof is in the pudding.

I think that Petan could be a decent top 6 guy on a team that is thin on forward talent, but that's not us. I like a more balanced lineup and Petan throws that balance off IMO.
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can a player that is exempt from the xd still be exposed. this would solve a lot of problems if we can get vegas to bite on him even if we have to give them an extra pick. would rather keep copp dano or armia. perreault is not going to be exposed . he can actually play hockey.

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