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03-18-2017, 12:22 PM
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Wow, just wow, Petan hasn't shown a lot of skill and finesse playing with the likes of Throburn, Tanev and Copp 5 minutes a game on the fourth line!

But Petan does look good playing with better players like Schief, Wheeler, Ehlers and Laine, who would have thought!

Hope Petan gets moved to a good NHL team with good coaching to show how wrong guys in here are!~

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03-18-2017, 12:48 PM
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It seems with the heavy emphasis on player stats (which I really like by the way) ,we often neglect to really take into consideration player skill-sets when talking about filling a roster.

We have Schiefele/Little/Lowry/Roslovic pencilled in as our probable centers going forward but ask yourself this - are any of them the type that create space/time for themselves and for their linemates? Are they good puck distributors? IMO , possibly Roslovic but far too early to make judgment. Petan does seem to be a player of this ilk; however,there are legitimate questions concerning his size/strength/speed that can only be answered after he is given opportunity.

My own view is that we need at least one center with such skillsets on the roster so as to fit best with certain wingers, and, especially to function in a key role on the PP. I would therefore be certain to give Petan every opportunity before declaring him surplus and available for trade (unless we got offered extra-ordinary value of course)

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I personally think he can, but the problem is that we currently have Laine, Ehlers, Scheifele, Little, Wheeler and Perreault in his way. Soon it will also be Roslovic and Connor.

He is meant to be a top six player. I'd love him on the top six, but Perreault has that spot taken for a while and the player most likely to take it from him permanently is Kyle Connor.

As much as I'd love to keep Petan, my only solution for him is to trade him to a rebuilding team along with some of our many promising prospects who will most likely not get a chance with our roster (Dano, De Leo, Kosmachuk and co.) in exchange for a star veteran player.

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03-18-2017, 12:57 PM
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I agree but I doubt he has much trade value, having not established himself in the NHL yet. He just may not be a piece who can be moved for a decent return.
I get that but does say a Shea Theodore hold that much more value? He's in a similar situation as Petan is where he's blocked by really good established players ahead of him and he's been in and out of the Ducks lineup and hasn't been able to show a tonne. The Ducks lack forward assets of the skill variety so their might be a fit their.

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03-18-2017, 01:23 PM
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He should but I'm not optimistic based on Maurice's apparent archaic view on roster construction. A 3rd line of Connor/Perreault Petan Roslovic would be absolutely dynamite going forward.

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03-18-2017, 02:47 PM
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PMO as coach? Questionable

New coach? Likely yes
Hopefully a new coach. With Maurice at the helm next year we will not likely make the playoffs, unless the talent on the roster can overcompensate for his many deficits.

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03-18-2017, 02:48 PM
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I never thought he had a future here and looks as if my predictions are starting to come true.

Maybe if we were thinner on quality forward prospect depth, but considering the youth currently in the lineup that is far better and playing important roles, and the players that are in development who are sure to fit the Jets needs better, I think that Petan will be best served as a trade chip for a real need.

I said he'd be a 4th liner, PP specialist, and he's struggled to even achieve that. Show me whatever fancy stats or charts you want the proof is in the pudding.

I think that Petan could be a decent top 6 guy on a team that is thin on forward talent, but that's not us. I like a more balanced lineup and Petan throws that balance off IMO.
You and Maurice seem to see eye-to-eye there. I think that is a mistake. He will never make it as a 4th liner anywhere. He needs to be middle 6 or nowhere.

Maurice hasn't put him in a position to succeed and he hasn't succeeded. And won't the way Maurice is using him.

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03-18-2017, 03:13 PM
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I always thought Petan was a player who would replace Perreault, but when we re-signed Perreault to the extension, it made me thing Petan had no future with the Jets. Now if we trade Perreault or if he's taken in the expansion draft, I think that would help Petan.
Or, another way to look at it, having Petan covering the same positions enables moving or losing Perreault to the XD.

I had expected MP to take over 3C but he failed at C - any line. He just doesn't seem to be able to handle C anymore. Apparently the pressure gets to him. He is still very good at LW though and I would like to keep him there, on the 2nd line until someone pushes him down to 3LW. Meanwhile I want to see how well Petan can handle 3C with skilled linemates. We won't find out by playing him on the 4th line with Thor and xxx.

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03-18-2017, 03:34 PM
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I personally think he can, but the problem is that we currently have Laine, Ehlers, Scheifele, Little, Wheeler and Perreault in his way. Soon it will also be Roslovic and Connor.

He is meant to be a top six player. I'd love him on the top six, but Perreault has that spot taken for a while and the player most likely to take it from him permanently is Kyle Connor.

As much as I'd love to keep Petan, my only solution for him is to trade him to a rebuilding team along with some of our many promising prospects who will most likely not get a chance with our roster (Dano, De Leo, Kosmachuk and co.) in exchange for a star veteran player.
The only kind of star veteran player you get for a basketfull of your players who are not quite good enough is an over the hill star veteran player with a big contract that someone wants to get rid of.

If you sum the values it might look good on paper but no team wants to burden themselves with a bunch of contracts for players who will almost, but not quite make it in the NHL.

You don't get any A prospects for that bunch either I'm afraid. 4 or 5 like that get you one prospect of about the same level who is just a couple of years younger and therefore hasn't failed yet.

We don't have any need for what those would get. We need to give up quality to get quality. Those players you listed might have some value as an add to a package of more proven or higher rated players. As such they might be seen as worth a gamble.

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I personally think he can, but the problem is that we currently have Laine, Ehlers, Scheifele, Little, Wheeler and Perreault in his way. Soon it will also be Roslovic and Connor.

He is meant to be a top six player. I'd love him on the top six, but Perreault has that spot taken for a while and the player most likely to take it from him permanently is Kyle Connor.

As much as I'd love to keep Petan, my only solution for him is to trade him to a rebuilding team along with some of our many promising prospects who will most likely not get a chance with our roster (Dano, De Leo, Kosmachuk and co.) in exchange for a star veteran player.
That totals 8... it's almost like we could use Petan to create a 3rd scoring line

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Petan is going to have a solid NHL future playing 2nd or 3rd line minutes.

I do have serious doubts it will be with the Jets based on usage and anchors used instead of him.

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I get that but does say a Shea Theodore hold that much more value? He's in a similar situation as Petan is where he's blocked by really good established players ahead of him and he's been in and out of the Ducks lineup and hasn't been able to show a tonne. The Ducks lack forward assets of the skill variety so their might be a fit their.
If Petan was taller, heavier and faster then he might be seen that way. Theodore being a highly rated D man also raises his price, rightly or wrongly.

I think Theodore costs us Connor or Roslovic or a proven player. At least.

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If Petan was taller, heavier and faster then he might be seen that way. Theodore being a highly rated D man also raises his price, rightly or wrongly.

I think Theodore costs us Connor or Roslovic or a proven player. At least.
I've been saying this since last year. For the exact reasons people are fine with (or want) to trade Petan instead of Connor or Roslovic are the exact reasons he isn't going to garner much of a defensive prospect in return.

Also your not going to add De Leo and Kosmachuk or a 3rd round pick to him and get a Theodore level defenceman. If you want a legit potential top 4 defensive you're giving up Roslovic (likely +) or Connor. Petan plus a grab bag of decent AHL players or later picks isn't getting you near what the Jets need.

Petan + in a couple years if he seizes that 3rd centre role and produces? Maybe, even then there is still a lot of stigma surrounding smaller players around the league. I'm a huge fan of Petan, his potential, and even his current game but I'm also living in reality.

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03-18-2017, 03:58 PM
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I'll take Petan over Perreault in the bottom 6 @ 4+ mill every day, but no... let's sell low on the kid because our stupid coach doesn't want to give him a real shot.

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If he plays like pageau or gaudreau he would have a future on this team but he plays like neither.

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Send him to Carolina with somebody else for one of their many D prospects. I like Petan but I feel he's most valuable to the Jets in a trade

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If Petan was taller, heavier and faster then he might be seen that way. Theodore being a highly rated D man also raises his price, rightly or wrongly.

I think Theodore costs us Connor or Roslovic or a proven player. At least.
Possible. But Anaheim currently has a lot of size and might be looking for what he brings. You never know. Anyhow I don't see Connor going anywhere, he fits what they want to upfront here a bit too well for them to move him out. Roslovic could be on the docket though.

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Possible. But Anaheim currently has a lot of size and might be looking for what he brings. You never know. Anyhow I don't see Connor going anywhere, he fits what they want to upfront here a bit too well for them to move him out. Roslovic could be on the docket though.
I don't think Anaheim will be specifically looking for small. Until he proves himself I think that will be all that they see. They being any other team. It will be 'he couldn't make the Jets because he was too small. Now they want to trade him to us.' Human nature.

If we have to give up a highly rated prospect I lean towards Connor. We already have Ehlers and Perreault as smaller, faster, high skill offensive LW's plus Petan. Roslovic being a C makes him a bit more of a keeper to me although I expect Connor to outscore him consistently. Connor also has a little higher profile. I think he brings the better return.

Using Theodore as an example target I think we have to add to Roslo to get him. OTOH we might be able to get an add to Theo in exchange for Connor. I would try at any rate.

Connor shows signs of developing into a premium top 6 scorer. There would be a high risk of being perceived as having lost that trade. But we would be giving up something we can afford to lose in exchange for something we need badly. That could turn out to be the deal that is the difference between winning a cup and not winning a cup.

Make that deal and get a goaltender and we have a contender - if our coaching is up to it.

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I don't think Anaheim will be specifically looking for small. Until he proves himself I think that will be all that they see. They being any other team. It will be 'he couldn't make the Jets because he was too small. Now they want to trade him to us.' Human nature.

If we have to give up a highly rated prospect I lean towards Connor. We already have Ehlers and Perreault as smaller, faster, high skill offensive LW's plus Petan. Roslovic being a C makes him a bit more of a keeper to me although I expect Connor to outscore him consistently. Connor also has a little higher profile. I think he brings the better return.

Using Theodore as an example target I think we have to add to Roslo to get him. OTOH we might be able to get an add to Theo in exchange for Connor. I would try at any rate.

Connor shows signs of developing into a premium top 6 scorer. There would be a high risk of being perceived as having lost that trade. But we would be giving up something we can afford to lose in exchange for something we need badly. That could turn out to be the deal that is the difference between winning a cup and not winning a cup.

Make that deal and get a goaltender and we have a contender - if our coaching is up to it.
See the thing is I don't know that Theodore is more than a number 4. He's a couple years older than Kyle and hasn't established himself. If I'm dealing Connor it's in a package to get a legit number 2/3 that's young. Roslovic and a 2nd I'd do for Theodore. Also we will lose a decent forward at the expansion draft. If it's Perrault we will need Connors scoring.

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^ Trading Connor would be a huge mistake imo. Other than Laine I don't think we've seen a more natural goal scorer with Jets 2.0.

Wheeler/Little should be moved for D before it comes to that.

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Petan may very well be moved - and if he's half as good as some on here think he is, he'll provide a good return.
Sometimes we speak out of both sides of our mouth (no offence to anyone's post) - if he's that good, and you see his potential, why wouldn't you expect the pro's to see that same potential?
Regardless, I think he'll do well where ever he lands - best place for him now might be the minors where he can open up his game and regain a little confidence. I think he'll also see more opportunity in the back stretch - he's getting more PP minutes now and he might get an opportunity to turn some heads - came close the last game.

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I get that but does say a Shea Theodore hold that much more value? He's in a similar situation as Petan is where he's blocked by really good established players ahead of him and he's been in and out of the Ducks lineup and hasn't been able to show a tonne. The Ducks lack forward assets of the skill variety so their might be a fit their.
I think you are on the right track but we need to add considerably to Petan. But I like the thinking.

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Petan is clearly a skilled player, but the European leagues are full with guys with great hands and vision, average skating and an offense first attitude.

Petan isn't lacking for opportunity, he is lacking a complete understanding of the game.

He doesn't have to look very far (Mathieu Perreault) to see what he needs to add to his game to have a long and productive NHL career. He needs to use his vision to see angles on the defensive side of the puck. He needs to figure out how to use his vision to disrupt a defenceman's options on the forecheck. He needs to figure out how to use his anticipation to win board battles. And he needs to figure out how to bring a physical game.

Last season Petan was completely lost in the NHL game. His success in Junior stemmed from his ability to process the game faster than everyone else, and at the NHL level he was processing slower than almost every other player. Given his more/less complete lack of other elite attributes, he looked awful.

This season, his ability to process the game has improved dramatically IMO. Perhaps now he is only average in that regard, but it is still an enormous leap for one year. If he can make a similar leap over the next couple seasons, I think it is very realistic to expect he'll have a long NHL career.

But at the same time, history is littered with small, skilled, offense first guys that were never able to turn their offensive ability to see the ice and anticipate into a 200 foot game.

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Petan may very well be moved - and if he's half as good as some on here think he is, he'll provide a good return.
Sometimes we speak out of both sides of our mouth (no offence to anyone's post) - if he's that good, and you see his potential, why wouldn't you expect the pro's to see that same potential?
Regardless, I think he'll do well where ever he lands - best place for him now might be the minors where he can open up his game and regain a little confidence. I think he'll also see more opportunity in the back stretch - he's getting more PP minutes now and he might get an opportunity to turn some heads - came close the last game.
Small player stigma + stigma of being expendable to one of the worst teams in the league? NHL teams still have massive biases about these things. No doubt a team would give him a chance for free eg. MTL + Byron or Perrault + ANH and he'd probably do very well but you're absolutely not getting a Theodore for him. They might not even do it for Roslovic, you're living in a dream world if you think that.

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Petan is clearly a skilled player, but the European leagues are full with guys with great hands and vision, average skating and an offense first attitude.

Petan isn't lacking for opportunity, he is lacking a complete understanding of the game.

He doesn't have to look very far (Mathieu Perreault) to see what he needs to add to his game to have a long and productive NHL career. He needs to use his vision to see angles on the defensive side of the puck. He needs to figure out how to use his vision to disrupt a defenceman's options on the forecheck. He needs to figure out how to use his anticipation to win board battles. And he needs to figure out how to bring a physical game.

Last season Petan was completely lost in the NHL game. His success in Junior stemmed from his ability to process the game faster than everyone else, and at the NHL level he was processing slower than almost every other player. Given his more/less complete lack of other elite attributes, he looked awful.

This season, his ability to process the game has improved dramatically IMO. Perhaps now he is only average in that regard, but it is still an enormous leap for one year. If he can make a similar leap over the next couple seasons, I think it is very realistic to expect he'll have a long NHL career.

But at the same time, history is littered with small, skilled, offense first guys that were never able to turn their offensive ability to see the ice and anticipate into a 200 foot game.
He already does those things quite well. His physicality has improved as the season has gone on. He definitely needs to improve at winning puck battles, last game he looked a lot better though.

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