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03-18-2017, 09:01 PM
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Hawks OT goal - offside?

I was under the impression that you were allowed to be in the zone before the puck as long as you carried the puck over the blue line with control of it. If you pass it over you can't go in first. Can someone clarify? Because they reviewed this goal very quickly and called it good. Puck is clearly off his stick before it's all the way over, he's offside.



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Looks offside to me

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Offside.

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Kinda confused on the rule as well, probably something that we don't know

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I thought if was offside. That said, I'm confused about this rule.

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03-18-2017, 09:07 PM
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It's only offside if another player on your team crosses the line before the puck or the person with the puck does.

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I was just surprised they looked at it for what appeared to be 10 seconds. I figured it would get a closer look. That said it is what it is, would have been close either way.

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It's only offside if another player on your team crosses the line before the puck or the person with the puck does.
nobody had the puck at the moment it entered the zone, he passed it over before it crossed and he was ahead of the play.

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03-18-2017, 09:10 PM
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Meh. It wasn't called offside, therefore it isn't offside.

No sense giving refs the attention they crave.

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If it doesn't cross the blue line completely before he passes the puck, I'm a little confused how it's onside. You can only be ahead of the puck if you have control of it, and since it wasn't in the zone when the pass is made...

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Yea, I'm pretty sure that's offside.

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Weird situation. He didn't bring the puck in with him when he had control, it was passed into the zone after he entered. I'd be interested in someone explaining this a bit further.

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He loses possession once he passes it. He is in the zone but the puck isn't. Offside, IMO.

Not super cheesed though I hate Offside reviews. I think whatever is called on the ice should stand and a millimetre shouldn't matter.

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shootouts are crapshoots yet the leafs are 1-8, only thing they could do worse is make hyman carrick and andersen the shooters

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NHL rule book page 120 requires control and possession. Panarin controlled the puck by means of a controlled pass, however he did not possess it as it crossed the blue line, therefore he's not allowed to enter the zone before the puck does

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rul...5-rulebook.pdf

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Off-side - Players of the attacking team must not precede the puck
into the attacking zone.
The position of the player’s skates and not that of his stick shall be
the determining factor in all instances in deciding an off-side. A player
is off-side when both skates are completely over the leading edge of
the blue line involved in the play.
A player is on-side when either of his skates are in contact with, or
on his own side of the line, at the instant the puck completely crosses
the leading edge of the blue line regardless of the position of his stick.
However, a player actually controlling the puck who shall cross the
line ahead of the puck shall not be considered “off-side,” provided he
had possession and control of the puck prior to his skates crossing the
blue line.

It should be noted that while the position of the player’s skates is
what determines whether a player is “off-side,” nevertheless the
question of an “off-side” never arises until the puck has completely
crossed the leading edge of the blue line at which time the decision is
to be made.
If a player legally carries or passes the puck back into his own
defending zone while a player of the opposing team is in such
defending zone, the off-side shall be ignored and play permitted to
continue. .

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What I don't get is why they reviewed it so fast.

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Panarin had complete control of the puck when his skates moved past the blueline. There's no issue. The refs confirmed the goal. End of story.

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That's not onside. How was this upheld exactly?

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Player forfeits control when he passes the puck. The puck is off his stick and he is over the blue line before the puck.

Thus is he offside and the NHL ****s up again.

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NHL rule book page 120 requires control and possession. Panarin controlled the puck by means of a controlled pass, however he did not possess it as it crossed the blue line, therefore he's not allowed to enter the zone before the puck does

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rul...5-rulebook.pdf
It says Prior not "as", he had it prior.

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Panarin had complete control of the puck when his skates moved past the blueline. There's no issue. The refs confirmed the goal. End of story.
Puck has yet to cross the line when he relinquished possession. He therefore put himself offside. At least that's how I understand the rule.

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Panarin had complete control of the puck when his skates moved past the blueline. There's no issue. The refs confirmed the goal. End of story.
But he loses possession and is in the zone before the puck crosses the line.

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huh...

this has playoff implications and is nationally televised

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Oh man, he was totally offside.

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