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Would Bob Gainey made a difference as Leafs GM instead of Pat Quinn?

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03-19-2017, 01:55 PM
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Would Bob Gainey made a difference as Leafs GM instead of Pat Quinn?

Prior to Pat Quinn becoming the Leafs GM on July 15, 1999 it was always reported that Ken Dryden who was the Maple Leafs President and GM at the time wanted to hire Bob Gainey for that role. So my question is would the Leafs have been any closer to winning a Stanley Cup or would they still come up just short?

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They made the final four twice and were always a Cup contender with Quinn aside from his last season he coached them. I am not sure Gainey changes that, nor do I see how he changes that.

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Let's say Quinn is only the coach and Gainey is the GM does Curtis Joseph still leave for Detroit in July 2002? Does Gainey trade Alyn McCauley, Brad Boyes and a 1st round pick in 2003 for Owen Nolan?

I know the Leafs were a strong contender with Quinn until the 2005-2006 season. However does Gainey make a move that puts them over the top? Like the way he traded Jarome Iginla for Joe Nieuwendyk, which was one major reason why Dallas wins the Cup in 1999.

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Let's say Quinn is only the coach and Gainey is the GM does Curtis Joseph still leave for Detroit in July 2002? Does Gainey trade Alyn McCauley, Brad Boyes and a 1st round pick in 2003 for Owen Nolan?

I know the Leafs were a strong contender with Quinn until the 2005-2006 season. However does Gainey make a move that puts them over the top? Like the way he traded Jarome Iginla for Joe Nieuwendyk, which was one major reason why Dallas wins the Cup in 1999.
You *really* have to stretch to make the conclusion that Gainey gets the Leafs a Cup.

The Leafs were a consistent top-four team under Pat Quinn's peak with Toronto. Replacing him with any other GM, do they do better? Highly unlikely.

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Doubtful that Bob Gainey as GM would have kept Pat Quinn as coach - not a defensive system first type of coach. Likewise may have had a clash of egos with Ken Dryden.

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The Leafs were a consistent top-four team under Pat Quinn's peak with Toronto. Replacing him with any other GM, do they do better? Highly unlikely.
It should be noted that in Quinn's 1st season he was just the coach, Ken Dryden was the GM and they made the 1999 Eastern Conference Finals. So despite coming GM prior to the 1999-2000 season, was the rest of the Leafs success under Quinn more because of his coaching or the moves he made as GM?

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Doubtful that Bob Gainey as GM would have kept Pat Quinn as coach - not a defensive system first type of coach. Likewise may have had a clash of egos with Ken Dryden.
It was Dryden who wanted to hire Gainey as the GM. So if anything he might have had a clash of egos with Quinn, which must have been the reason Quinn wanted to become the GM that's what happened.

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It was Dryden who wanted to hire Gainey as the GM. So if anything he might have had a clash of egos with Quinn, which must have been the reason Quinn wanted to become the GM that's what happened.
Do not conflate being teammates on the ice with being teammates in the board room.

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Do not conflate being teammates on the ice with being teammates in the board room.
I have read both Dryden and Gainey are good friends off the ice and it's why he wanted him to have the job.

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I have read both Dryden and Gainey are good friends off the ice and it's why he wanted him to have the job.
Same was true about Bob Gainey and Guy Carbonneau in Montreal.

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I think if Gainey had been GM Quinn would have been let go as coach especially as their styles clash big time. Got to wonder if Gainey surrounds Sundin with more talent than what Quinn did.

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You *really* have to stretch to make the conclusion that Gainey gets the Leafs a Cup.

The Leafs were a consistent top-four team under Pat Quinn's peak with Toronto. Replacing him with any other GM, do they do better? Highly unlikely.
I agree. There is much more room for them to have gone down rather than up.

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I think if Gainey had been GM Quinn would have been let go as coach especially as their styles clash big time. Got to wonder if Gainey surrounds Sundin with more talent than what Quinn did.
The directive from ownership in Toronto was always to make sure the stars (Sundin, Joseph) were paid extremely well, and surrounded by sneaky-good bargain pieces, until they changed course and went all-in with big name acquisitions like Nolan and Leetch. Really, if Gainey was going to improve on Quinn's work, it would mean finding better cheap pieces than guys like Hoglund, Perreault. By 2003, you're getting guys like Nolan no matter who is in the front office, because the money said so.

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