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03-19-2017, 05:03 PM
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Sheary had 10 points in 44 games last season. Not saying he doesnt do a good job but his stats are probably seriously inflated from playing with Crosby.
I'd allow that, but not in the way you think.

Sheary has remodeled his game to play more like Sid since he started playing with him.

Obviously he doesn't develop the same way playing with your average 3rd line center.

But he's looking pretty legit in ways that other people that were chained to Sid's hip (Hello, Brian Gibbons) have not.

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03-19-2017, 05:17 PM
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And Panarin is playing with Kane, is Panarin nothing special and just a product of Kane then?
Kane's a product of Panarin.

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03-19-2017, 06:42 PM
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If you've followed the Pens at all, you'd know that a lot of players have played with Crosby, and many have been dog ****.
Kunitz was a 60 point player with Crosby... and now hes going to barely crack 30 without him. It could be just the same for them, don't kid yourself.

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Would they produce as much without Crosby? Likely not. But they'd both be legitimate top six performers if you put any top six center with them.
Slow your roll there bud. I wouldn't go that far.

You can't prove it either way, but Matt Moulson looked like a legit top six performer and then once he stopped playing with an elite talent his stats went south fast.

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03-19-2017, 06:44 PM
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Kunitz was a 60 point player with Crosby... and now hes going to barely crack 30 without him. It could be just the same for them, don't kid yourself.



Slow your roll there bud. I wouldn't go that far.
Oh I don't know, maybe that's due to the fact that Kunitz is 37 years old and fell off a cliff 3 years ago. Crosby was his most common linemate in 2014-2015 (here) and he only had 40 points that year. Same exact way in 2015-2016, Kunitz was Crosby's most common linemates and he only had 40 points. And before Kunitz was with Crosby, he was also a 60 point player, seeing how he had 60 points in 2006-2007 with the Ducks. But yeah, that's a great argument you got there.

You're just wrong to say they're not legit top-6 forwards without Crosby. Like it's just comically dumb and baseless to say. Why don't you go watch the guys play? Or better yet, please provide another player or list of players who have managed to do what Sheary has done this year with Crosby?

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03-19-2017, 06:47 PM
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Some of the comments on this board at times are as bad as a Facebook comment section.

The possession numbers and shot totals this line has been producing, especially after only a couple of weeks together are incredible.

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03-19-2017, 06:49 PM
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Kane's a product of Panarin.
They are both a product of each other. Without Panarin, Kane wouldn't contend for the Art Ross. With Kane, Panarin wouldn't be a star.

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03-19-2017, 07:33 PM
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Kunitz was a 60 point player with Crosby... and now hes going to barely crack 30 without him. It could be just the same for them, don't kid yourself.



Slow your roll there bud. I wouldn't go that far.

You can't prove it either way, but Matt Moulson looked like a legit top six performer and then once he stopped playing with an elite talent his stats went south fast.
Do you even watch the pens? Kunitz has been on Crosbys and or malkins wing most of the year. So hes not barley cracking 30 without a star centre. He just sucks. He's barley cracking 30 WHILE playing with crosby. Just proves that you have to be actually good to produce on crosbys wing. Because kunitz and others who have been tried have not produced because they suck.
Also Sheary and Guentzel are sure fire top six wings. Please name one other player who has a better P/60 5v5 than Sheary. Oh you can't because he's #1 in the NHL. No 1st power play time and still near a PPG

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03-19-2017, 07:35 PM
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Kunitz was a 60 point player with Crosby... and now hes going to barely crack 30 without him. It could be just the same for them, don't kid yourself.
He hasn't been playing "without him", champ. Of course, if you'd watched the Pens with any regularity, you'd already know that:

http://dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_l...ations&sent=go

Kunitz has played the overwhelming majority of his time bouncing between Crosby and Malkin. He hasn't produced because he's ****ing terrible, not because he's been away from our generational centers (if only).

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Crosby and two other people who also play ice hockey is generally in the conversation for best line in hockey.

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03-19-2017, 08:04 PM
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Yeah Sheary has managed to magically be incredibly productive for 51 games with 47 points.

As a hot streak fluke.

Jeez. Such salty people.
Who's salty?

You're the one using sarcasm after misreading his post.

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03-19-2017, 08:08 PM
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So, who is the best line?

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Crosby,Crosby,Crosby!

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03-19-2017, 08:13 PM
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So, who is the best line?
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Putting this line out is like having a free power play.

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Kunitz was a 60 point player with Crosby... and now hes going to barely crack 30 without him. It could be just the same for them, don't kid yourself.
Kunitz has played about half of this season with either Sid or Geno. He is the perfect example of a player who isn't good enough to succeed even with Crosby. He just can't do it. The wheels have completely fallen off.

On the flip side, Kunitz had a 60 point season and two 50 point seasons with the Ducks. And he was a top 6 wing for a Cup win with them too. Dude was good before he ever played with Crosby.

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03-19-2017, 11:15 PM
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Kunitz has played about half of this season with either Sid or Geno. He is the perfect example of a player who isn't good enough to succeed even with Crosby. He just can't do it. The wheels have completely fallen off.

On the flip side, Kunitz had a 60 point season and two 50 point seasons with the Ducks. And he was a top 6 wing for a Cup win with them too. Dude was good before he ever played with Crosby.
Yeah, people acting like Kunitz was some scrub is ridiculous. No, he was not a Canadian Olympic level forward, but he was a good top-sixer for a long time.

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03-19-2017, 11:22 PM
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So in this thread, we can now establish the following..


Pastrnak is a product of Marchand.
Bergeron is product of Marchand.
Panarin is a product of Kane.
Draisaitl is a product of McDavid.
Sheary & Guentzel are the product of Crosby.

#hfboardlogic

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03-19-2017, 11:29 PM
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Yeah, people acting like Kunitz was some scrub is ridiculous. No, he was not a Canadian Olympic level forward, but he was a good top-sixer for a long time.
Is this a joke? Did you forget the sarcasm smilie?

Kunitz may be some lame analytics darling in the past, but if you watch even 2-3 games you would quickly come to the conclusion that he negates all offensive momentum when he is out there. He is only in the top 6 because of some weird loyalty to him for his services. He's a solid 3rd/4th liner when he is finally where he belongs with limited minutes, but he is no longer a top 6 forward, he wasn't last year either.

He hasn't produced like a top 6 forward since 2013-14. He's barely out producing Cullen, Guentzel, and even Rust when he was healthy. Kunitz is a good 4th line LW'er. That's about it at this point.

His career average per season is 54pts.

Had he played 82 games this year, he'd be on pace for 35pts.

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03-19-2017, 11:30 PM
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Yeah Sheary has managed to magically be incredibly productive for 51 games with 47 points.

As a hot streak fluke.

Jeez. Such salty people.
why are you acting like 51 games is a lot of games?
I'm not saying that the kids on sid's line aren't good, but some of the numbers look between kinda sorta unsustainable to 99.9999999% unsustainable


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why are you acting like 51 games is a lot of games?
So when he finishes the season with 61 games and produces whatever, it's still not enough huh? What is enough then? That's more than half a season, if a player is on a hot streak, his production would dip and he would level out, except he hasn't.

There's a case for Guentzel and Sheary for being solid players in their own right, Sheary started last year in the bottom 6, then Sullivan took over and paired his speed with Crosby's in the playoffs and they both took off, mostly Sheary flubbed a lot of chances though last year and still produced decent numbers in the playoffs. But this year, it's a different Sheary.

It's funny though, Sheary and Guentzel both produced exceptionally well at every level of hockey and then they are paired with talent because it's unreasonable to pair talent with talent on HFBoards and they continue to produce...but it's only because of Crosby?

So I guess that means Draisaitl and Pastrnak are not really any good and massively benefit from McDavid and Marchand and really anyone can be with them and produce like numbers. Is that what people are getting at?

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03-19-2017, 11:48 PM
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Last year saw the HBK line
What's been going on with those guys this year? Not clicking like they did last season?

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I'm not saying that the kids on sid's line aren't good, but some of the numbers look between kinda sorta unsustainable to 99.9999999% unsustainable
Guentzel is a 0.74PPG guy right now and Sheary is 0.92PPG.


Guentzel (All goals ES)
College: 1.10PPG
AHL: 1.09PPG
NHL: 0.74PPG

Sheary (has 1 PPG, rest are ES)
College: 0.75PPG
AHL: 0.90PPG
NHL: 0.92PPG

Oh and are we ignoring that Crosby doesn't go up against the toughest lines? Without Geno, even more so? The point is that these kids are no slouches, some people don't want to admit that but they not only elevate Crosby's play, but they're also out there creating chances and for once, Sid isn't the one doing it all to make his wingers better like he had to with Dupuis and Kunitz. For once, he has talented wingers and now they're only a product of Crosby, it's kind of a bull **** cop out by people. So why is Panarin not a guy that is getting that same treatment? Produced well everywhere and including the NHL, same for Pastrnak and Draisaitl, etc. Is it their draft status? Are they doing well when they really should never produce like that because one is undrafted (Don't tell undrafted players that, someone call St.Louis and tell him he sucks) or low picks (Poor Hornqvist, if only last place pick would ever produce...oh wait, lower picks can produce?).

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03-19-2017, 11:52 PM
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Sheary and Guentzel almost never play on the top pp so that makes their production a bit more impressive.

If Sheary was fed #1 pp time he might be over a PPG.

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What's been going on with those guys this year? Not clicking like they did last season?
That line was riding an unsustainable shooting% the entire time, and what made it worse is that both Kessel and Bonino are playoff performers (as in they're worse in the regular season compared to the playoffs). It wasn't a sustainable line last year, so it's not surprising what happened this year.

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What's been going on with those guys this year? Not clicking like they did last season?
Bonino was really bad for half the season and Sullivan would put Hagelin and Kessel with Malkin, they'd do well, then flop Kunitz up there and Hagelin would bounce around. The chemistry wasn't there, but with Bones playing the way he is right now, I would try again but I would still go with HMK over HBK given that Malkin has shown tremendous chemistry.

IF anything, I would put Hornqvist with Bonino and when Rust comes back, him there on the left side.

Ideally...

Guentzel, Crosby, Sheary
Hagelin, Malkin, Kessel
Rust/Wilson, Bonino, Hornqvist
Kunitz, Cullen, Kuhnhackl/Wilson/Rust

There is one line that still shows incredible chemistry and it's Kuhnhackl-Cullen-Rust, that is one line I would go back to and bite the bullet with the incredi-bad Kunitz with Bones and Horny.

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