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Who became better players after playing with elite players?

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03-20-2017, 06:41 AM
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03-20-2017, 10:21 AM
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Cheechoo.
I think that's different - Cheechoo was great on Thornton's wing but didn't learn how to become great without him.

Best example: Jake Voracek.

We still don't know if guys like Panik or Maroon will be more like Cheechoo or more like Voracek.

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03-20-2017, 10:57 AM
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Anson Carter
Anson Carter's season with the Sedins in Vancouver was his third best season points or PPG wise. He had two better or more productive seasons prior to that in Edmonton.

He was who he was. Except with the Sedins his goal-to-assist ratio tilted more towards goals which is natural because it's the Sedins, passing maniacs.

Or, actually, Carter was worse after he left Vancouver. He didn't become better at all. He became a pancake.

Sedin's on the other hand took off like crazy after having played with Carter.

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JVR and Voracek are my first thoughts.

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Dubinsky lucked into centering Jagr early in his career, and has said he learned a ton from him. I think Jagr has had that effect on a lot of players in the league by this point.

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I know this probably relates to current, but Lemieux credits Gretzky after playing with him in the 87 Canada cup in teaching him what it took to win championships.

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Dubinsky lucked into centering Jagr early in his career, and has said he learned a ton from him. I think Jagr has had that effect on a lot of players in the league by this point.
Barkov, Huberdeau, Benn, Voracek definitely come to mind

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I know this probably relates to current, but Lemieux credits Gretzky after playing with him in the 87 Canada cup in teaching him what it took to win championships.
In a similar vein, Jagr often credits Lemieux as his mentor and teacher. Of course both Lemieux and Jagr would have been great anyway, but both have been open in citing the positive influence of an all time great mentor.

I think that John LeClair is a very good example. He left Montreal at 25 years old as a big, gritty middle six winger. Lindros carried LeClair at first, but after a year or two LeClair was one of the best wingers in hockey even when Lindros was out of the lineup.

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Gonchar did wonders for beaulieu and jumped him from fringe nhl D to top4.

Markov has done this with komisarek, streit, subban, souray, etc

Toews became even better with hossa

Marchand with bergeron

Etc

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Chris Clark scored 20 and 30 goals playing on a line with Alex Ovechkin.

The most he scored before was 10, the most he scored after was 7.

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James Neal was a 40g, 80pt player with Geno. Away from Geno he's a 50-60 point guy.

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03-21-2017, 12:36 AM
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Two weeks ago, John Hayden looked like an NCAA player.

But now, playing with Toews, he's at a PPG pace.

#Intangibles

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03-21-2017, 12:42 AM
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Maroon went from a 4th liner to a 1st liner because of McDavid (and Draisaitl)

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Hawks moved Panik to the right of Toews a couple weeks/months ago. Guy doesn't even look like the same player.
Wrong, Panik was not made good by Toews, guy seems like he busted his butt all summer and came back to play this year and has been great where ever he was put. Toews didnt show up till about 20 games ago though, maybe that is who you are referring to?

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03-21-2017, 12:48 AM
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Wrong, Panik was not made good by Toews, guy seems like he busted his butt all summer and came back to play this year and has been great where ever he was put. Toews didnt show up till about 20 games ago though, maybe that is who you are referring to?
You know that Toews wasn't what I was referring to, stop trolling....

Panik had a strong first month, but fell into becoming a somewhat average player up until he, Toews, and Schmaltz were put together. And then they made beautiful, exciting hockey plays.

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03-21-2017, 01:06 AM
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Al Secord with Denis Savard and Steve Larmer.

Simmer with Dionne?

Janney and Hull

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Marc Methot with Karlsson.

Colin Greening with Spezza then became the opposite of good again.

Zack Smith with Mark Stone. Difference is legit insane.

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I know this probably relates to current, but Lemieux credits Gretzky after playing with him in the 87 Canada cup in teaching him what it took to win championships.
Lemieux had already finishes 2nd and 3rd in the scoring race before playing in that tourny. But it's true lemieux really took off after seeing Gretzkys work ethic. I believe he even quit smoking around that time as well

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