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03-20-2017, 02:36 PM
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They need to improve that group of defensemen and get a solid goalie.
Locking up Buff was an awful decision.

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Because they are all hype and zero substance. That isn't a top 8 roster in the west. Byfuglien is a winger being paraded as a #1D. Laine is one dimensional. Scheifele is carried by his linemates. Trouba is dumb as a brick. Morrissey is all pedigree. Little is a 3C. Ehlers is one dimensional. They have no bottom six forwards.

Wheeler is really good though.
This post is just complete ignorant nonsense.

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03-20-2017, 02:38 PM
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You forgot forwards.
You are embarrassing yourself.

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03-20-2017, 02:39 PM
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Urheilulehti had a nice analysis on Jets. They said that they should easily be a playoff team with this material, but their "rotten culture" is making it impossible.

What they mean with rotten culture is: #1 Stupid penalties and #2 Over attacking. They direct most of the blame on Cheveldayoff and his failure to bring some leading players who tell others what's up. And while they didn't directly blame him, I'd say that stupid penalties and over attacking is personified in Dustin Byfuglien, who as an Alternative Captain is not doing his team's rotten culture any favors.

Some of the blame for this has to also be placed on Maurice for failing to hold his players(like Byfuglien) accountable, too.

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03-20-2017, 02:42 PM
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Because Jets fans have created this perception that they are absolutely on the cusp of greatness with their sure-fire star prospects. Fans in turn expect wins. In reality the team is just really bad.

I think we may be seeing another Oilers-lite here.
The Oilers are a bad comparable. We had years where our best defenseman would be Winnipeg's #4. And until McDavid, we never had a center as good as Scheifle. I think it comes down to 1) team depth, 2) coaching, 3) needing a veteran goalie for Hellebuyck to play behind.

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03-20-2017, 02:43 PM
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Building around Byfuglien was a mistake.

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03-20-2017, 02:48 PM
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Building around Byfuglien was a mistake.
The third best D on Jets is the third highest paid D in NHL.

Their GM needs to be fired and the sooner the better.

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03-20-2017, 02:52 PM
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I really think a coach like Hitch would do wonders for this team. They also need a good goalie too

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03-20-2017, 02:53 PM
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Because they are all hype and zero substance. That isn't a top 8 roster in the west. Byfuglien is a winger being paraded as a #1D. Laine is one dimensional. Scheifele is carried by his linemates. Trouba is dumb as a brick. Morrissey is all pedigree. Little is a 3C. Ehlers is one dimensional. They have no bottom six forwards.

Wheeler is really good though.
One of the silliest posts currently on HF. Congrats!

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There is only room for 1 next dynasty team at a time

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Because they are all hype and zero substance. That isn't a top 8 roster in the west. Byfuglien is a winger being paraded as a #1D. Laine is one dimensional. Scheifele is carried by his linemates. Trouba is dumb as a brick. Morrissey is all pedigree. Little is a 3C. Ehlers is one dimensional. They have no bottom six forwards.

Wheeler is really good though.
So Scheifele is being carried by his linemates, but one of them is the "one-dimensional" Laine? I guess Perrault must be a top 5 winger in the game carrying those two to ppg/near ppg status?

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03-20-2017, 03:30 PM
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They play with little to no structure and I don't think it's the coach.
Until this year, they were consistently a top ten even-strength all-shots team. Though they weren't getting goaltending or special teams then, either.

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They need to improve that group of defensemen and get a solid goalie.
Locking up Buff was an awful decision.
Having Tobias Enström as your fifth best defenseman is hardly concerning.

That they've been without their full defense at all this season is.

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Building around Byfuglien was a mistake.
If they were building around Byfuglien, don't you think they'd have given him more than five years?

They're building around Scheifele, Laine, and Trouba.

Hopefully Trouba's willing to stick around.

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03-20-2017, 03:32 PM
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Because they are all hype and zero substance. That isn't a top 8 roster in the west. Byfuglien is a winger being paraded as a #1D. Laine is one dimensional. Scheifele is carried by his linemates. Trouba is dumb as a brick. Morrissey is all pedigree. Little is a 3C. Ehlers is one dimensional. They have no bottom six forwards.

Wheeler is really good though.
Most accurate post in this thread!

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Coaching and goaltending. If you want to go big picture, then the problem is having a passive GM.

Edit: Also defense. Myers was injured for most of the season, Enstrom isn't that great anymore, and Byfuglien hasn't been as reliable as the team needed him to be.

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Same thread, different year. In no particular order:

-goaltending
-blueline depth
-player usage (ie. coaching)
-defensive systems (ie. coaching)
-ineffective use of offensive zone time (ie. coaching)
-poor discipline (ie. coaching)
-poor special teams (ie. coaching)

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The third best D on Jets is the third highest paid D in NHL.

Their GM needs to be fired and the sooner the better.
That contract was a disaster the second it was signed.

The Jets really are one of the worst managed teams in the league - at least their scouting staff is good.

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03-20-2017, 03:45 PM
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Not enough parks.

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03-20-2017, 03:47 PM
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It's strange. They just don't mesh properly, imo. Experience should help with that. I can't identify a massive issue with their team, so it should just be a matter of time.

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Looking at their roster I think it looks good on paper, but what is keeping them from being a top 8 team in the Western Conference?? Coaching? Goaltending? Combination?
Because people think their roster is better than it really is. Pretty simple.

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Taking stupid penalties and goaltending.

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1. Goaltending. (I always triple check my spelling on that lest I mention the lending of goats).
2. Decision making by the coaching staff. Poor utilization, ineffective systems, line juggling roulette.
3. Discipline.


That's all I got.




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03-20-2017, 03:59 PM
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they should hire hitchcock.

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Aren't there rumours floating around that Maurice is going to be re-signed this summer?

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Injuries, particularly to shallow defense

Defensive systems. It's not just goal tending - this team gets picked apart nightly.

Backup goalie - a veteran backup rather than Hutch would have taken the unreal workload off of Helle.

Coaching - special teams have been brutal, and the line blender for the first 2/3 of the season dissolved any chemistry opportunities.

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they remind me alot of the senators last year, sure it was fun to watch but at no point of the game did a lead ever felt safe


They need a coaching change and one that is known to be a defensive guru like boucher, they have alot of offensive skill, if they take care of their own zone first i think they can become a powerhouse

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