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03-20-2017, 04:20 PM
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Kane/Toews join elite company


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03-20-2017, 04:24 PM
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Kind of an obscure record but the boys are obviously going to own that one. Must include the strike-shortened season. So there's that too.

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There's some records I don't understand why we care about. This is one of them.

2 elite players (teammates) score a measly 20 goals a season. That's not a very high benchmark, is it?

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I'm surprised Toews has scored 20+ for 10 seasons

He isn't really that much of an offensive dynamo

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Still doesn't make either deserving of NHL100 #HawksBias

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Is this supposed to be some amazing accomplishment? These are so called top 100 players of all time and being praised for consecutive 20 goal seasons...

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Still doesn't make either deserving of NHL100 #HawksBias
Not that it should. But it's not insane to have either in the Top 100 now and obviously they could look much more deserving in 10 years from today.

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There's some records I don't understand why we care about. This is one of them.

2 elite players (teammates) score a measly 20 goals a season. That's not a very high benchmark, is it?
The hard part is staying on the same team and not missing a season due to injury.

2 top 100 players all time should have no problem scoring 20 a season for 10 years as long as they are healthy.

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I will never understand the Toews hate on these boards. Good for both of them, especially impressive to do it in this era of hockey

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I mean... congratz? For players of their calibre (especially Kane), hitting 20g over many consecutive years isn't exactly a huge accomplishment though.

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Still doesn't make either deserving of NHL100 #HawksBias
There's at least some argument for Kane. None at all for Toews.

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This is one of those things that doesn't sound like it would be some amazing feat but then you see the rest of the list and go "wow, turns out this is a little more impressive than I thought."

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There's some records I don't understand why we care about. This is one of them.

2 elite players (teammates) score a measly 20 goals a season. That's not a very high benchmark, is it?
The benchmark is so low only five other pairs of teammates have ever done it. It's notable.

EDIT: As well, every duo to have done it is in the Hall of Fame. But yeah, nothing to see here.

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I mean... congratz? For players of their calibre (especially Kane), hitting 20g over many consecutive years isn't exactly a huge accomplishment though.



There's at least some argument for Kane. None at all for Toews.
Sure there is.

Toews was NOT the worst player included on the top 100 list by any means.

The problem with the list is who was left off. Example Malkin, who is easily better than Toews and quite a few others who made it.

If you change the list to include the biggest names that belong but missed out - you could absolutely make a case for Toews towards the bottom to still find a spot.


Of course the flip side of this is that if the NHL had actually "ranked" the players, they'd probably have Toews at #30 or so =/

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03-20-2017, 05:01 PM
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There's some records I don't understand why we care about. This is one of them.

2 elite players (teammates) score a measly 20 goals a season. That's not a very high benchmark, is it?
Only 5 other duos in history have done this. So...

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I was gonna come in here to make a snarky comment but everyone else did that first. Now it would just seem petty. Not that I am going to defend them or anything, it is kind of a silly thing to care about for players who have a lot more prestigious things to brag about.

Now on the other hand, The Sedins being at the top of lists about number of goals two teammates being in on is one of the greatest feats in all of sports.

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The hard part is staying on the same team and not missing a season due to injury.

2 top 100 players all time should have no problem scoring 20 a season for 10 years as long as they are healthy.
This post X100.

It's more impressive that neither Kane or Toews lost extensive time to injury and have been on the same team for 10+ years than the actual goal scoring.

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03-20-2017, 05:19 PM
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This post X100.

It's more impressive that neither Kane or Toews lost extensive time to injury and have been on the same team for 10+ years than the actual goal scoring.
Kane did a couple of seasons, but still played the majority of games in both seasons. 2013-2015.

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Well, it's true that it is rather obscure, because it isn't really something that all that many could even have accomplished if they wanted to. You would need players whose careers overlapped for enough of a time without either of them moving for one reason or another or getting injured for a prolonged time. That cuts things down by quite a lot.

Gretzky only played nine years for the Oilers, eight of that with Kurri. They easily would have accomplished this if Gretzky didn't get traded. This means the most successful goalscorer ever is already out of the equation. Add Lemieux, who had two seasons cut too short to reach the 20 goal mark, plus missing one season entirely. He and Jagr have plenty of 20 goal seasons, but their careers in Pittsburgh also didn't overlap as much as necessary, even when ignoring injuries.

It's truly a nice mark to reach for Kane and Toews, but it is also something that couldn't happen to most players because they never have a situation in which such a thing is even possible.

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I'm surprised Toews has scored 20+ for 10 seasons

He isn't really that much of an offensive dynamo
Here's a great example of HF bluster where the poster leads with his opinion rather than actually checking facts ... especially when it comes to Toews who is a favorite HF pinata.

Kane: 730 games played, 283 goals (0.39 goals per game)

Toews: 708 games played, 271 goals (0.38 goals per game)


I'm not surprised this stat is being downplayed because it's what many HF posters do - find the negative and belittle stuff. Even more so because it's the Hawks and (understandably) many people are sick and tired of the Hawks in the same way many neutral fans were pulling for the Falcons in the Super Bowl becauce people are sick of the Patriots being there all the time.

But, it is an amazing stat. If I were told that 2 team mates getting 20+ goals in 10+ consecutive seasons has happened only 6 times in the 100 year history of the NHL - I wouldn't have believed it. That number seems absurdly low, especially considering that before free agency and salary cap the players didn't jump around from team to team as much as they do today. It seems like an insignificant stat until you realize it's happened only 6 times and all 10 players from the previous duos are in the Hall of Fame. That brings some weight to what would have been a nothingburger stat.

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03-20-2017, 05:23 PM
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Kane did a couple of seasons, but still played the majority of games in both seasons. 2013-2015.
Toews missed 18 games his rookie season and 23 games in 2011/12.

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03-20-2017, 05:28 PM
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How many star player duo stayed 10 seasons together with the same team?

The answer is probably not many, hence the low number of duos.

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How many star player duo stayed 10 seasons together with the same team?

The answer is probably not many, hence the low number of duos.
Crosby/Malkin, Ovechkin/Backstrom, Thornton/Marleau, Sedin/Sedin, Datsyuk/Zetterberg.

I don't see their names here.

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Very impressive, especially considering the other names on this list. First duo in 27 years to accomplish this too. Speaks to their consistency and good health.

Im curious if one day well see any other current players on this list, like McDavid/Draisaitl, Matthews/Marner, etc.

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How many star player duo stayed 10 seasons together with the same team?

The answer is probably not many, hence the low number of duos.
Crosby/Malkin have, but injuries have prevented them from hitting the list.

So you not only have to stay on the same team, but avoid serious enough injuries to prevent you from miss 1/2+ of a single season.

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A lot has to go right for this to happen.

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