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Potential Off Season Moves by the Habs

View Poll Results: What now?
Overhaul (Big changes across the board) 30 32.26%
Tweak (A couple of moves is all we need) 26 27.96%
Rebuild (Trade vets for picks/prospects) 37 39.78%
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03-24-2017, 03:21 AM
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I would offer Price even up for Schiefele. But know Jets will turn it down

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03-24-2017, 03:57 AM
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plz sign Dadonov, Shipy and Kovy if he declares himself an NHL UFA. Also, get Duchene cuz chucky isnt a C. Therrien had it right all along. SMH. Also, trade Ds such as Petry and Weber. We dont need them anymore with Sergs and other D prospects. Also, plz dont sign Markov. We need alot of cap on offense not on deadwieght Ds

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03-24-2017, 03:59 AM
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I would offer Price even up for Schiefele. But know Jets will turn it down
I would have to agree but sooner than later the jes have to make the playoffs. They have a lot of offense but very little D and G. Price, imo, would solve their problems and make then a PO team. Schiefele is the price to pay tho personally I wouldnt. I would offer Trouba and Ehlers.

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03-24-2017, 05:31 AM
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I would offer Price even up for Schiefele. But know Jets will turn it down
I would also but the jets hang up the phone on you

Blow up this team now!!
We are going nowhere bergy screwed up with subban
We are toast

Weber for a first round pick and a top prospect
Patches for a first round pick and a top prospect
Price for a first round pick and a top prospect

Build around galchenuk gally julsun sergachev

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03-24-2017, 05:52 AM
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I would also but the jets hang up the phone on you

Blow up this team now!!
We are going nowhere bergy screwed up with subban
We are toast

Weber for a first round pick and a top prospect
Patches for a first round pick and a top prospect
Price for a first round pick and a top prospect

Build around galchenuk gally julsun sergachev
I get what you're saying, but I have a slightly different perspective on it. I liken what Bergevin's done with the Subban trade to making a sacrifice in chess. He has to play for checkmate. He's put himself in a position where he doesn't have a long lasting advantage that he can leverage into a cup winning team. It's all, or nothing. So, being that we're headed towards an embarassing rebuild, we might as well trade what little future we have to try and get that cup. Everyone's expendable.

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03-24-2017, 06:04 AM
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Re-sign Radulov.
Sign Shipachyov.
Trade for Duchene.
Make the salary work somehow.

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03-24-2017, 06:56 AM
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Two choices. Let your players develop or be a top 5 cup contender and your players play where its best for the team. I get the concerns regarding Pleky but you trade Pleky to the Pens or any other team who has legit top 2 centers and Pleky can play 3C, he does very well. It's a matter of circumstance. Pleky gets extra heat because of the lack of depth at center. So does Galchenyuk. Imagine what Galchenyuk would of done if he had a proven center to play with? Lets not blame the players for the lack of depth up the middle.
You don't pay a 9 goal no 3 c 6 million dollars. Get real. Plek is gone and he should be.

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03-24-2017, 07:01 AM
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They should look at flipping Weber for a young d-man entering his prime while his value is still high.
A D that might actually contribute to 5-on-5 offense. That would be a smart move.

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03-24-2017, 07:32 AM
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Sign & trade JT, or get by with Duchene and Shipachev and hope for the best i.e. successful transition from KHL for Ships and a rebirth for Duke.


Molson/MB won't trade Price and/or Weber which means this is what this Habs era is until they retire or walk (Price). The general population would not understand a long winded explanation from MB if he were to blow it up, Bergevin would end up with phone threats and such.

I'm trying my best to hold on as a fan for the next 2-3 years, knowing that we will truly be blowing it up a la Taranna come ~2020 and suck until ~2025.


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The Islanders will lose one of Hamonic, De Haan or Pulock. I'd trade to trade for one of De Haan or Hamonic which would instantly improve the D.

I agree with many here and would try signing Shipachev, maybe a 2 year/9M contract.

You have to find ways and trade Emelin and Plekanec

If Julien does not see a fit with Galchenyuk at center, I'd try to get talks started with Tavares regarding a sign and trade, Galchenyuk, Sergachev and a pick will definitely have them listening. Or perhaps add in one of their D's which I mentioned above

I would trade Beaulieu for a pick or package him with Gallagher which I hate to say it but will most likely start declining with his style of play and the amount of injuries he's had, maybe target a guy like Kyle Palmieri from the Devils which are bound to commit to a rebuild.

And finally, I said it early this year and I'll say it again, I would not be against trading Weber, he's slowing down and if a team that wants to win now and is desperate for a top 2 D is out there, I'd approach them right away.

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03-24-2017, 09:20 AM
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I get what you're saying, but I have a slightly different perspective on it. I liken what Bergevin's done with the Subban trade to making a sacrifice in chess. He has to play for checkmate. He's put himself in a position where he doesn't have a long lasting advantage that he can leverage into a cup winning team. It's all, or nothing. So, being that we're headed towards an embarassing rebuild, we might as well trade what little future we have to try and get that cup. Everyone's expendable.
no, what bergevin is trying to do is SELL his house and with the proceeds go out and buy 1/2 million lottery tickets in the hopes he wins 10 million dollars....This is very hard to do !!! the same as trying to win a Stanley cup...especially in a small window of 1-2 years

after the 1-2 years he will have nothing to show for his disaster move and his wife will demand a divorce because he squandered their retirement investment...

thats what this feels like what he is doing...

We need to start rebuild this season to get the most we can...

if we can get 3 TOP prospects and 3 first round picks...we will be in a better situation in 4 years

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03-24-2017, 09:23 AM
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no, what bergevin is trying to do is SELL his house and with the proceeds go out and buy 1/2 million lottery tickets in the hopes he wins 10 million dollars....This is very hard to do !!! the same as trying to win a Stanley cup...especially in a small window of 1-2 years

after the 1-2 years he will have nothing to show for his disaster move and his wife will demand a divorce because he squandered their retirement investment...

thats what this feels like what he is doing...

We need to start rebuild this season to get the most we can...

if we can get 3 TOP prospects and 3 first round picks...we will be in a better situation in 4 years
Can you name any franchise changing prospects available in the next couple years? Pretty slim pickings.

As for the sacrifice vs. lottery tickets thing: you can use whatever metaphor you want, but at this point you have to go for it. A rebuild is coming, I agree with you. Might as well go down swinging in the meantime.

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03-24-2017, 09:27 AM
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(((((((((((((((( Had this in the MB thread - guess it really belongs here))))))))))))))))


Sadly, with the way MB backed himself into a corner with his "changing four quarters for a dollar" moves over the years, i just don't see how the Habs can improve over the summer.

We have no offensive prospects of note that can come in and impact the team next year or even the next 3 years, so forget that possibility.

Sign free agents you say? The free agent pool, outside of maybe TJ Oshie, is pathetic and if Radulov's recent play is any indication, he is not the saviour either.

KHL free agents? Let's be honest, we will have big time competition to sign any and even if by some miracle we do, they will probably go the way of Sekac.

Trades? We have little non-core assets to trade and what little we do have are not worth much.

People here should get used to seeing this same team for the next few years because, outside of trading Price and Weber for massive hauls (which i would be for), nothing will change.
(unless of course, you consider bringing in more character and leadership as an improvement)

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03-24-2017, 09:46 AM
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Like I said in the trade proposals thread, no superstar but we don't empty our pool either.



Nathan Beaulieu
Nikita Scherbak



Adam Henrique
John Moore



Tomas Plekanec (50% retained)



Tom Kuhnhackl + 3rd 2017





2nd 2017
3rd 2017 (Pitts)
Jacob De La Rose



Brock Nelson


Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Henrique-Nelson-Radulov
Byron-Danault-Shaw
Kuhnhackl-Mitchell-McCarron

Hudon
Martinsen

Markov-Weber
Moore-Petry
Sergachev-Benn
Emelin (could be taken by Vegas)

**LHD could rotate according to the quality of their respective play.

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Can you name any franchise changing prospects available in the next couple years? Pretty slim pickings.

As for the sacrifice vs. lottery tickets thing: you can use whatever metaphor you want, but at this point you have to go for it. A rebuild is coming, I agree with you. Might as well go down swinging in the meantime.
are you serious...

You don't thin price is worth : Josh Morrissey + a First ?
You dont think Patches is worth: Anthony Mantha + First ?
You dont think Weber is worth : Shea Theodore + First ?

i can go on and on

Imagine :
Sergachev
Morrissey
Theodore
Juulsen
Beaulieu

Forwards:
Galchenuk
Mantha
Gally
First
First
First
hudon
sherback

In 3-4 years we will compete


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Dreger doesn't have the faintest idea what the Canadiens would do. He should not be taken seriously at all.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Galchenyuk got traded.

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I wouldn't be shocked at all if Galchenyuk got traded.
Me neither, at this point.

If the Subban trade is reflective of MB's approach for the next couple of years... I'm afraid Chucky goes to Cali and Team Canada's Jeff Carter is coming to Montreal.

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Me neither, at this point.

If the Subban trade is reflective of MB's approach for the next couple of years... I'm afraid Chucky goes to Cali and Team Canada's Jeff Carter is coming to Montreal.
If we get older can it be for Team Canada's Jonathan Toews instead?

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are you serious...

You don't thin price is worth : Josh Morrissey + a First ?
You dont think Patches is worth: Anthony Mantha + First ?
You dont think Weber is worth : Shea Theodore + First ?

i can go on and on

Imagine :
Sergachev
Morrissey
Theodore
Juulsen
Beaulieu

Forwards:
Galchenuk
Mantha
Gally
First
First
First
hudon
sherback

In 3-4 years we will compete
Yeah no.

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03-24-2017, 11:36 AM
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It is either all in or rebuild IMO. Either way we can't go another season with marginal "upgrades". Every prospect should be available apart from Sergachev, unless we are getting a #1 LD back or Tavares. We need 2 top 6 players, at least one of which is a center. Plekanec and Emelin need to be dumped. Radulov looks so bad right now that I don't know if I would even bring him back.

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are you serious...

You don't thin price is worth : Josh Morrissey + a First ?
You dont think Patches is worth: Anthony Mantha + First ?
You dont think Weber is worth : Shea Theodore + First ?

i can go on and on

Imagine :
Sergachev
Morrissey
Theodore
Juulsen
Beaulieu

Forwards:
Galchenuk
Mantha
Gally
First
First
First
hudon
sherback

In 3-4 years we will compete
Yeah, this seems legit in EA Sports NHL.

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need to dump Pleky, Emelin, Beaulieu
re-signs Radulov, Galchenyuk, Martinsen, Markov
try to sign Shipachev, Dadonov or Alzner
  1. Dispatch Plekanec, Emelin, Beaulieu (maybe LV takes one of them)
  2. Trade for a real no. 1 C and use Galchenyuk in a package to achieve it (yeah, easier said than done).
  3. Sign Radulov if and when his demands become more reasonable. If not use money not spent on Radulov to lure a better UFA.

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I like some of the suggestions here, particularly trading for Tavares. Unfortunately these kinds of players rarely move (see: Stamkos) but I think if we offered Galchenyuk, Sergachev and a 1st as a starting point, NYI would listen.

But then who is the #2C? We would need to sign Shipachev or trade for Duchene but trading for Duchene would deplete our lineup. Shipachev is the best option.

Patches - Tavares - Radulov
Byron - Shipachev - Gallagher
Lekonen - Pleks - Shaw
Hudon - McCaron - Mitchell
Ott-Martinsen

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yeah no.
lol!!!

What you dont think we can get that!!! lol!!!

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lol!!!

What you dont think we can get that!!! lol!!!
No, I think we could. I don't think we want to though.

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