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04-03-2017, 12:28 PM
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Paul Maurice is one of the biggest idiot excuse of a coach i have ever seen..
There is absolutely no sense in his usage of Laine in the last month or two. Ice time limited with rough hand, almost no PP-time at all..
After playoffs was gone, the only thing that Jets still could win was Laine's calder.. But what does Maurice do? Plays his beloved vets to pad their stats.. why? There is no need padding their stats because they can't win anything.. There is also no need to win games anymore..
Only thing that matters are Laine's points, and he decisides to do everything to ensure he wont be getting any of them.

I think there is room for Maurice in plane to siberia.
Wow-do you really believe this?

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What was the point of that sentence..? So, if Laine plays, Jets lose?
There is no need to play teams best goalscorer anymore?
There really is no need to win games anymore, and the most dissapointing and surprising thing really is how the Maurices beloved vets are now lighting it up when the games don't matter anymore.
Like Wheeler who was very mediocre for over half a season, now he looks like a superstar out there.. That's bizarre and disappointing as hell.
They should have given the opportinuty for rookie with a ceiling no one else in Jets roster even comes close, to actually win something.
Instead Maurice tells: "You can't give too much too fast for these youngsters", yeah right.. what a *********.
It's still the Winnipeg Jets, not Winnipeg Laines

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What was the point of that sentence..? So, if Laine plays, Jets lose?
There is no need to play teams best goalscorer anymore?
There really is no need to win games anymore, and the most dissapointing and surprising thing really is how the Maurices beloved vets are now lighting it up when the games don't matter anymore.
Like Wheeler who was very mediocre for over half a season, now he looks like a superstar out there.. That's bizarre and disappointing as hell.
They should have given the opportinuty for rookie with a ceiling no one else in Jets roster even comes close, to actually win something.
Instead Maurice tells: "You can't give too much too fast for these youngsters", yeah right.. what a *********.
At no point did he say Laine = loss. That would just be ridiculous.
I don't think it's fair to take a stab at Wheeler as I think he has been the most consistent Jet this season. While I don't like how he was used on pp, he is the hardest worker on the team IMO.

Laine is a superstar and will be for many years going forward without question. But one star doesn't win you a stanley cup. It requires... wait for it... a TEAM. Laine has been sheltered less than any rookie in the league I can think of (including Matthews) and has risen to the occasion. I don't know why people are so angry? If you were expecting him to play lights out everything single game I think you were setting yourself up for serious disappointment Even Gretzky had bad games. As far as Maurices use of him I don't think there is a mayor problem yet. Sure he would probably have a couple more points if he was with Schiefele but the team has been wining. If he is as great as everyone here thinks (and I do too) then he should be able to produce with whoever is centering him as long as he is getting top 6 minutes. He is 18 years old and looks like he could become one of the best players in the world. Just take a breath and enjoy the ride.

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It's still the Winnipeg Jets, not Winnipeg Laines
There are a lot of things that Maurice did against the Winnipeg Jets. Not using the obviously best shot in your team as your main PP weapon is an act against the Winnipeg Jets. Breaking lines that work (Laine with Scheif, Wheeler with Little) to form ONE working combination (Scheif and Wheeler) is idiocy, nothing else. Two working lines is better than one working line, very basic math.


The need to favor Laine on PP is a team need, it betters the teams chances. The need to favor Laine staying with a center that can read the game the same way he does, betters the needs of the team.

They just coincidentally also favor Laine. We could have had both, a game system that favors both Winnipeg Jets and Laine personally.

But this village idiot of a coach failed to build around these pieces. Even when he accidentally got it right few times of the season, he broke those up just to break it. A smart person tests things and keeps what works. An idiot breaks things for the sake of breaking things and doesn't revert back to working combinations but insists to do the things that do not work.

I have zero qualification for that job, and I would have done a much better job with just basic, simple logic. Don't fix what isn't broken. Keep what works, change what doesn't.

Maurice has some good ideas when it comes to raising young players. Then he has some idiotic ideas that are not supported by any logic or by any thinking person. Unfortunately the bad ideas outweigh the good.

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What was the point of that sentence..? So, if Laine plays, Jets lose?
There is no need to play teams best goalscorer anymore?
There really is no need to win games anymore, and the most dissapointing and surprising thing really is how the Maurices beloved vets are now lighting it up when the games don't matter anymore.
Like Wheeler who was very mediocre for over half a season, now he looks like a superstar out there.. That's bizarre and disappointing as hell.
They should have given the opportinuty for rookie with a ceiling no one else in Jets roster even comes close, to actually win something.
Instead Maurice tells: "You can't give too much too fast for these youngsters", yeah right.. what a *********.
The point is 'team over individual'. The Jets are winning games while utilizing their current line up. The team is more important than individual accolades. That's what sports are about.

Winning at this point is about establishing character and entertaining the paying fans. Every player on a professional sports team understands their role on a team can change, and they might not always be in the spotlight. Some are never in it actually. I'm sure Laine is on board with the team winning even if he doesn't score; pretty sure he's said something like this himself early on.

As for Wheeler, his February numbers were a bit low, but for for the front half of the season he posted a fine 44 pts in 53 games. He's been one of most consistent guys on the team in the last 5 years, led the Jets in scoring last year and was a top-10 winger. He's earned his ice-time.

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There are a lot of things that Maurice did against the Winnipeg Jets. Not using the obviously best shot in your team as your main PP weapon is an act against the Winnipeg Jets. Breaking lines that work (Laine with Scheif, Wheeler with Little) to form ONE working combination (Scheif and Wheeler) is idiocy, nothing else. Two working lines is better than one working line, very basic math.


The need to favor Laine on PP is a team need, it betters the teams chances. The need to favor Laine staying with a center that can read the game the same way he does, betters the needs of the team.

They just coincidentally also favor Laine. We could have had both, a game system that favors both Winnipeg Jets and Laine personally.

But this village idiot of a coach failed to build around these pieces. Even when he accidentally got it right few times of the season, he broke those up just to break it. A smart person tests things and keeps what works. An idiot breaks things for the sake of breaking things and doesn't revert back to working combinations but insists to do the things that do not work.

I have zero qualification for that job, and I would have done a much better job with just basic, simple logic. Don't fix what isn't broken. Keep what works, change what doesn't.

Maurice has some good ideas when it comes to raising young players. Then he has some idiotic ideas that are not supported by any logic or by any thinking person. Unfortunately the bad ideas outweigh the good.
Laine has 2g and 1a since March 13th (9 games), a slump for him. Meanwhile, the Jets have gone 7-2-1 in that time frame. From the perspective of Laine fans, this is a problem that needs to be fixed. From the coach's perspective, and maybe a lot of Jets fans too, maybe nothing needs to be fixed.

I love the Laine fans but would love if they were also fans of the actual team too. Lately it doesn't seem that way.

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04-03-2017, 02:15 PM
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Jets have a team that should be playing in the playoffs. Sure, they had way too much injury problems to actually succeed in them, but with better coaching (especially special teams) and better line combinations, the season would have been more successful.

The obvious working lines should be L-S-E and P-L-W. That gives you two lines that work well together and gives the team the best opportunity to win.

Laine should have the most minutes on PP out of any player in the lineup. Even with very limited PP time he still lead the team in PP goals for most of the season. When he was out there on PP, on very limited time, he always created a lot of chances because he is the best shooter and the best playmaker in the team. There is no logical reason to not use that asset to the max. Washington uses Ovechkin to the max. Tampa uses Stamkos to the max. Laine is a better shooter than those guys, and a better playmaker too. Him not playing top PP minutes is a direct testament of an idiot coach who thinks more about "character building" and "veterans needs" than he does of what is best for the team.

If this dumbass keeps his job until next year, I'm afraid we'll start to see a Trouba situation arise, but this time with a guy who has all the tools to challenge the greats of the game. Jets need Maurice so bad that they are willing to push a talent of Laine's caliber out the door with nonsensical coaching?

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Laine has 2g and 1a since March 13th (9 games), a slump for him. Meanwhile, the Jets have gone 7-2-1 in that time frame. From the perspective of Laine fans, this is a problem that needs to be fixed. From the coach's perspective, and maybe a lot of Jets fans too, maybe nothing needs to be fixed.

I love the Laine fans but would love if they were also fans of the actual team too. Lately it doesn't seem that way.
From the perspective of JETS fans that should be a problem that needs fixing.

If you have a race car at your disposal that can go 200 mph, but you are constantly running it at 70 mph, it's a complete waste and you could achieve the same with a Prius.

You need to find a way to get the best out of everyone towards a common goal (winnipeg jets success). This is not that situation. We have seen Little and Wheeler do great toward the end of the season together in the same line, no? That is a working combination. Proven to be one. We know Laine with Scheifele was producing similar results as you speak of above but the goaltending and defense injuries and struggles put them in this spot.


You need to be able to get more out of these pieces. And it's not even that difficult of an equation when you have proven pairs that work.

Did you see how snakebitten Ehlers was lately with Little? Couldn't do a single thing right. He resurrected when he was moved up in line. Now he is a useful hockey player again, in Little's line he was like **** on a nun. Useless. Laine is suffering the same fate, he was hot with Scheifele, led the league in PPG after february. Genius Maurice throws him out on the ****ter with ice cold Little and lo and behold, he becomes ****ter too just like Ehlers.

If there was one way to get Little to be decent toward the end of the season, it would have been Wheeler. They have long term chem. Then you would have had two working lines.

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I'm sure Laine would have gotten some PP time last game, but he got a stinger on the hand causing the staff to look at it for bit. While the starting unit kept the puck in for 2 minutes and scored (also note Scheifele/Ehlers/Wheeler never saw the ice during this PP either). I was there at the game, it sucked to watch, terrible win.

The other PP was only for 37 seconds, and they decided to use him on the 4-on-4 prior instead.

Just to note, during this stretch of 10 games since March 13th, the Jets' powerplay has operated at 23.5% and scored 8 goals, ranking 10th in the league.

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Laine has 2g and 1a since March 13th (9 games), a slump for him. Meanwhile, the Jets have gone 7-2-1 in that time frame. From the perspective of Laine fans, this is a problem that needs to be fixed. From the coach's perspective, and maybe a lot of Jets fans too, maybe nothing needs to be fixed.

I love the Laine fans but would love if they were also fans of the actual team too. Lately it doesn't seem that way.
If a line isn't producing then something needs to be fixed

Wheeler and little work well together
Scheifele and Laine work well together

That's 2 lines that work well together

Even if wheeler scheifele are playing well, it's for nothing
At this point try other things out. Like calling up roslovic and Connor
Take advantage of a dead season

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Alright. This needs to be said....

Laine needs to play with Little because he is a **** play driver and needs Littles defensive support. Laine, strait up can't hang with the top 6 players he plays against in any other way then scoring (which is important). He doesn't win enough puck battles, He's not physically strong enough and quite frankly he doesnt make quick enough decisions with the puck. He has Awful Corsi numbers in both generating offense and limiting offense against. He is not a complete player. THAT'S OKAY though because he's going to get much better at this AND he will still have all of his offensive gifts.

Little helps mitigate these shortcomings better than Chef.

I Think a lot of coaches would have stapled Laine to a 3rd line with Lowry and Armia types to soften his competition and limit his TOI like Edmonton did with Pul.

Also, he's been playing fairly well lately and has had like 15 shots in the last 3 games and whistled quite a few more high or wide.... it's a slump.... it was predicted in his underlying numbers too.

He's been given every opportunity to succeed here and he has.

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I don't know man I think it's a good thing that Laine's PP time has been kind of limited in his rookie season. I believe that it makes him push himshelf to be better 5 on 5 when he is not gifted all the PP time in the world. He will be the forward with most PP time in the near future anyway, there's no rush. This is only good for his overall developement me thinks.

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I don't know man I think it's a good thing that Laine's PP time has been kind of limited in his rookie season. I believe that it makes him push himshelf to be better 5 on 5 when he is not gifted all the PP time in the world. He will be the forward with most PP time in the near future anyway, there's no rush. This is only good for his overall developement me thinks.
His PP time hasn't been limited. He ranks 3rd among forwards in powerplay time behind only Scheifele and wheeler.

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His PP time hasn't been limited. He ranks 3rd among forwards in powerplay time behind only Scheifele and wheeler.
Have seen a lot of garbage power play time tho

If he's ever on
It's like the last 50 seconds and he's starting in their own zone

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I love the Laine fans but would love if they were also fans of the actual team too. Lately it doesn't seem that way.
You mean the way we would cheer for Finland to win the WHC if Laine is on the team? It works both ways.

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Have seen a lot of garbage power play time tho

If he's ever on
It's like the last 50 seconds and he's starting in their own zone
Yeah the PP minutes does not tell the whole story. First PP starts the PP, plays it until roughly 40 seconds left, when the puck gets out they switch and Laine's line gets 20-30 seconds with a start from own end. This is how it's been for a long long time, I don't know how people don't see it. It's a world of difference. But the thing is, even in those 20-30 seconds he usually creates scoring chances

It's the biggest single coaching mistake that I have ever witnessed going through majority of the season. Best shot in the game, PP specialist....yeah you go grind some pity seconds out of all PP once Buff has had his fill.

Beer league ********.

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So by the logic in this thread, we shouldn't play Toby or Myers if they came back from injury because if it ain't broke....

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You mean the way we would cheer for Finland to win the WHC if Laine is on the team? It works both ways.
The GREAT thing about the World championships is going to be the chance to see what a sane coach can do with that kind of weapon.

I can guarantee you, he will play on PP. He might also play on LW.

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Yeah the PP minutes does not tell the whole story. First PP starts the PP, plays it until roughly 40 seconds left, when the puck gets out they switch and Laine's line gets 20-30 seconds with a start from own end. This is how it's been for a long long time, I don't know how people don't see it. It's a world of difference. But the thing is, even in those 20-30 seconds he usually creates scoring chances

It's the biggest single coaching mistake that I have ever witnessed going through majority of the season. Best shot in the game, PP specialist....yeah you go grind some pity seconds out of all PP once Buff has had his fill.

Beer league ********.
How has he ended up with the 3rd or 4th most PP minutes if this was true?

By the way if PP2 is only getting 30 or 40 seconds if the 1PP managed create zone time and pressure meaning the PP is working.

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The GREAT thing about the World championships is going to be the chance to see what a sane coach can do with that kind of weapon.

I can guarantee you, he will play on PP. He might also play on LW.
Yeah PoMo has seriously hampered Laine offensive success this year.... How many goals and point's did Laine get playing LW in Liiga last year again?


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How has he ended up with the 3rd or 4th most PP minutes if this was true?

By the way if PP2 is only getting 30 or 40 seconds if the 1PP managed create zone time and pressure meaning the PP is working.
He played in #1 PP to start the season, that will bring his totals up. They actually did play him properly then but the PP had not been practiced at all due to the crazy schedule at the start.

Once they got that out of the way and had time to work on PP, he went to the #2 PP . I think their idea was to have two PP units that work well, but for a long time neither of them worked. Eventually 1st PP started working but the season was basically over at that point for the Jets.


Second PP never worked, it was atrocious. And it's not because of Laine.

If you cut the season in half and look at PP minutes in the last 41 (or 50) games, I don't think he'd be anywhere near 3rd or 4th in PP icetime. Every single guy who has been a mainstay on that first PP unit has more icetime. Byfuglien the most.

Don't even get me started about that guy. Here I was thinking the best played D in the league was actually a passable defenseman. Disappointment of biblical proportions. I'd trade him for a bag of pucks as long as someone took that contract.

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His PP time hasn't been limited. He ranks 3rd among forwards in powerplay time behind only Scheifele and wheeler.
Yeah the PP usage has been a bit overstated on this board. But "kind" of limited when compared to being on the first PP unit or on the ice for full 2 minutes sometimes, being the forward with most PP time. I know he will be nr. 1 weapon on the PP in the future, some fans seem to think that he should be there already. I just don't like the idea of giving the most PP time to a teenaged rookie when there are very good other players on the team aswell. It would give the wrong message, high end rookies (and i think especially Laine) need to be challenged a bit! (But never too much like being thorburned lol)

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EDIT: Best paid, not best played. But he is the most played too if you wanna go that route

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Honestly, i don't know what you guys are talking about. Patty has been given everything to let him succeed, and he did succeed. He has been cemented in top 6 since the first week of games and he's had large amount of PP time...

He's capable of slumping just like every other player out there.

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Yeah the PP usage has been a bit overstated on this board. But "kind" of limited when compared to being on the first PP unit or on the ice for full 2 minutes sometimes, being the forward with most PP time. I know he will be nr. 1 weapon on the PP in the future, some fans seem to think that he should be there already. I just don't like the idea of giving the most PP time to a teenaged rookie when there are very good other players on the team aswell. It would give the wrong message, high end rookies (and i think especially Laine) need to be challenged a bit! (But never too much like being thorburned lol)
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