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04-03-2017, 03:34 PM
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Regardless of each user's opinion on the topic, we can probably agree on one thing :

The next year will be... extremely political.

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Do you really think people in this country (or several others) are really not going to watch Olympic Hockey just because Crosby, Getzlaf, Price, etc are not there? It is still Olympic hockey, and if you really want to get technical, the Olympics are supposed to be amateur athletes in the first place.

I am fine with this.
Actually, I'd probably watch my NHL instead of Team Canada, for many reasons...

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I was going to make a post about how this was all Eugene Melnyk's work because "something something Karlsson playing against Canada", but I'll digress from being stupid

But in all seriousness, the quote the op posted is 100% logically sound and accurate. Not really sure what all the fuss is about?
My fuss is they will go in 2022 in China. If there is no incentive for 2018 in South Korea, there is no incentive for 2022 in China but NHL already thinks there is incentive going to China and will absolutely go to China in 2022.

That's like saying there is incentive for them fighting to keep Coyotes in Arizona for 20 years but letting Carolina get relocated at the first opportunity they get. (I know this example is dumb, but illustrates perfectly everything that is wrong with this league).

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Did you even read? The NHL is the only major sports league that stops for the Olympics. The NHL is officially not participating but individual players are still contracted to their teams and their teams can give permission.

On the business side, there's a huge amount of insurance and revenue and legal work that needs to be done.

It's right for the NHL not to kowtow to the corrupt IOC. It's a greedy money-making organization filled with entitled bosses like FIFA. Last time around, the IOC agreed to help pay the insurance costs. This time it refused. They also refused any compromises the NHL asked for like buying a few home games or making the NHL an official sponsor like Coke/McDonalds which they also refused. Probably because the the NHL doesn't pay them 2 billion dollars like Coke/McDonalds do.
The IOC execs are greedy and corrupt. However, the IOC is still a non-profit organization as is the IIHF. The NHL is for-profit.

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Canadian TV can not be thrilled either. CBC paid a lot of money for the Olympic rights based mainly on hockey.
On the other hand, the selection process for Team Canada's olympic team is going to be unreal. Theoretically they can choose from CHL, NCAA, Spengler Cup vets, and maybe the AHL. Canadian Media is going to eat that stuff up.

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Ball's in IOC's court now, and they have grounds to actually do a radical move that could hurt the NHL and get much less fan backlash than would otherwise be the case.

Come out today or tomorrow and flat out say that you are disappointed in the NHL's decision and breaking the Olympic spirit of open competition and coming together, but that you understand from a business perspective. In that same vein however, the IOC has to take into account their own business connections and relationships with corporate sponsors, media partners, and event planners/hosts and don't want to have the next games get bogged down as well or leave anyone with the wrong impression of what an unreliable partner like the NHL will do. So, as a result of the NHL's decision to not stop for the 2018 games, active NHL players [in the 2021-22 season] are hereby barred from the 2022 Beijing games as well.

Bam, major broadside across the NHL's bows. They want to go to those games but figure that they can skip the games in South Korea, and you just added the extra doubt in players heads about if they want to actually play in the NHL for 2021-22, so don't be surprised if a load of European players decide to go back to leagues on that side of the Atlantic (or, for prospects, delay going over to the NHL) or even if some North Americans decide to forgo a year and play in some European league.

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This is truly awful. However I wouldn't be half as livid if the NHL put forth a respectable best-v-best alternative. Unfortunately we fans were treated to a gimmicky Team Europe and Team Young Gunzzzz!!!!!

Screw you NHL.

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Guessing the two bye weeks will be during the Olympics to reduce the impact of ratings lost from eyes watching figure skating, curling, luge, skelton, skiing, etc.

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Ball's in IOC's court now, and they have grounds to actually do a radical move that could hurt the NHL and get much less fan backlash than would otherwise be the case.

Come out today or tomorrow and flat out say that you are disappointed in the NHL's decision and breaking the Olympic spirit of open competition and coming together, but that you understand from a business perspective. In that same vein however, the IOC has to take into account their own business connections and relationships with corporate sponsors, media partners, and event planners/hosts and don't want to have the next games get bogged down as well or leave anyone with the wrong impression of what an unreliable partner like the NHL will do. So, as a result of the NHL's decision to not stop for the 2018 games, active NHL players are hereby barred from the 2022 Beijing games as well.

Bam, major broadside across the NHL's bows. They want to go to those games but figure that they can skip the games in South Korea, and you just added the extra doubt in players heads about if they want to actually play in the NHL for 2021-22, so don't be surprised if a load of European players decide to go back to leagues on that side of the Atlantic (or, for prospects, delay going over to the NHL) or even if some North Americans decide to forgo a year and play in some European league.
I don't know, but my feeling is that, if the IOC does such a thing, they'll just **** of the federations and the IIHF for no good reasons.

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I don't know, but my feeling is that, if the IOC does such a thing, they'll just **** of the federations and the IIHF for no good reasons.
Everybody else but the NHL cooperates with the Olympics as it is, so I doubt it. And heck, if they have that strong of a ban, that could be a boon for the 2021-22 season with an influx of players that'd otherwise be in the NHL.

Only awkward for the NHL and maybe the American and Canadian Olympic committees.

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Ball's in IOC's court now, and they have grounds to actually do a radical move that could hurt the NHL and get much less fan backlash than would otherwise be the case.

Come out today or tomorrow and flat out say that you are disappointed in the NHL's decision and breaking the Olympic spirit of open competition and coming together, but that you understand from a business perspective. In that same vein however, the IOC has to take into account their own business connections and relationships with corporate sponsors, media partners, and event planners/hosts and don't want to have the next games get bogged down as well or leave anyone with the wrong impression of what an unreliable partner like the NHL will do. So, as a result of the NHL's decision to not stop for the 2018 games, active NHL players are hereby barred from the 2022 Beijing games as well.

Bam, major broadside across the NHL's bows. They want to go to those games but figure that they can skip the games in South Korea, and you just added the extra doubt in players heads about if they want to actually play in the NHL for 2021-22, so don't be surprised if a load of European players decide to go back to leagues on that side of the Atlantic (or, for prospects, delay going over to the NHL) or even if some North Americans decide to forgo a year and play in some European league.
But, here's the thing. That's poor business and a childish mentality. It's an awful argument. All parties aside from NHL owners are better off financially if the NHL competes in 2022. China and the IOC still want NHL players in 2022, unless they are being run by a scorned high school girl that got dumped the week before prom. This is business. And please, baring the complete collapse of the US economy, I find it very hard to believe players would even sacrifice a year to go play in leagues overseas. Nevermind multiple years. See: $$$$$

Although I hate this decision, I'm more worried about the CBA impact it is gonna have....

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Actually, I'd probably watch my NHL instead of Team Canada, for many reasons...
If the Hurricanes played at the same time Team USA did, I probably would also, or maybe do PIP, of just follow the States on my phone.

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My fuss is they will go in 2022 in China. If there is no incentive for 2018 in South Korea, there is no incentive for 2022 in China but NHL already thinks there is incentive going to China and will absolutely go to China in 2022.

That's like saying there is incentive for them fighting to keep Coyotes in Arizona for 20 years but letting Carolina get relocated at the first opportunity they get. (I know this example is dumb, but illustrates perfectly everything that is wrong with this league).
I respectfully disagree on both counts.

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For comparison's sake, who covers insurance and other costs for the players on international teams in soccer?

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I agree with this 110%. Yeah I liked the NHL players in the Olympics as well but a 2 week break during an already long season was a but much. Also will be good to see amateurs play in the Olympics again. It worked great until 1994, don't see why it won't work now.

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Everybody else but the NHL cooperates with the Olympics as it is, so I doubt it. And heck, if they have that strong of a ban, that could be a boon for the 2021-22 season with an influx of players that'd otherwise be in the NHL.

Only awkward for the NHL and maybe the American and Canadian Olympic committees.
... I misunderstood your post.
I understood "Active NHL'er" as "meaning every player in the NHL for 16-17 and/or 17/18 would not be eligible to play at the 2022 Olympics".

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I agree with this 110%. Yeah I liked the NHL players in the Olympics as well but a 2 week break during an already long season was a but much. Also will be good to see amateurs play in the Olympics again. It worked great until 1994, don't see why it won't work now.
Problem is it won't be amateur players. It will be KHL players vs the worst from the rest of the world.

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What if I told you millions upon millions of people will be watching your players, basically your product over the course of two weeks and all you have to do is let your players go play and take a break in the middle of the season? Sounds great, right? Nope, no thanks. We'll compete against something we have no chance of beating in the ratings.

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But, here's the thing. That's poor business and a childish mentality. It's an awful argument. All parties aside from NHL owners are better off financially if the NHL competes in 2022. China and the IOC still want NHL players in 2022, unless they are being run by a scorned high school girl that got dumped the week before prom. This is business. And please, baring the complete collapse of the US economy, I find it very hard to believe players would even sacrifice a year to go play in leagues overseas. Nevermind multiple years. See: $$$$$

Although I hate this decision, I'm more worried about the CBA impact it is gonna have....
I am still waiting for someone to provide concrete proof of why it is business wise important to go to China.

South Korea is to China what Canada is to the USA. Ignore one and you necessarily negatively impact the other one.

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Ball's in IOC's court now, and they have grounds to actually do a radical move that could hurt the NHL and get much less fan backlash than would otherwise be the case.

Come out today or tomorrow and flat out say that you are disappointed in the NHL's decision and breaking the Olympic spirit of open competition and coming together, but that you understand from a business perspective. In that same vein however, the IOC has to take into account their own business connections and relationships with corporate sponsors, media partners, and event planners/hosts and don't want to have the next games get bogged down as well or leave anyone with the wrong impression of what an unreliable partner like the NHL will do. So, as a result of the NHL's decision to not stop for the 2018 games, active NHL players are hereby barred from the 2022 Beijing games as well.

Bam, major broadside across the NHL's bows. They want to go to those games but figure that they can skip the games in South Korea, and you just added the extra doubt in players heads about if they want to actually play in the NHL for 2021-22, so don't be surprised if a load of European players decide to go back to leagues on that side of the Atlantic (or, for prospects, delay going over to the NHL) or even if some North Americans decide to forgo a year and play in some European league.
Another thing I've thought of.....the IOC passes the revenue from the Games onto the countries' IOCs. Those IOCs then distribute the money as they see fit.

Could the IOC ever stop money from trickling down to hockey the sport?

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Haven't heard from Hockey Canada and USA Hockey as to where they'll be getting their Olympic players from.

Will the IIHF ban any NHLers from participating with the league not in? Will the IIHF define where the players will come from, or leave it to each country's hockey federation?

Will the AHL be gutted? Will the NCAA, CHL?

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Ball's in IOC's court now, and they have grounds to actually do a radical move that could hurt the NHL and get much less fan backlash than would otherwise be the case.

Come out today or tomorrow and flat out say that you are disappointed in the NHL's decision and breaking the Olympic spirit of open competition and coming together, but that you understand from a business perspective. In that same vein however, the IOC has to take into account their own business connections and relationships with corporate sponsors, media partners, and event planners/hosts and don't want to have the next games get bogged down as well or leave anyone with the wrong impression of what an unreliable partner like the NHL will do. So, as a result of the NHL's decision to not stop for the 2018 games, active NHL players are hereby barred from the 2022 Beijing games as well.

Bam, major broadside across the NHL's bows. They want to go to those games but figure that they can skip the games in South Korea, and you just added the extra doubt in players heads about if they want to actually play in the NHL for 2021-22, so don't be surprised if a load of European players decide to go back to leagues on that side of the Atlantic (or, for prospects, delay going over to the NHL) or even if some North Americans decide to forgo a year and play in some European league.
my guess is the chinese want the NHL there,and that will be the deciding factor.

I'm with the NHL on this one. Maybe if the IOC/IIHF let them use footage, they would go.

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... I misunderstood your post.
I understood "Active NHL'er" as "meaning every player in the NHL for 16-17 and/or 17/18 would not be eligible to play at the 2022 Olympics".
Nope, sorry. Meant "active in the 2021-22 season."

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Another thing I've thought of.....the IOC passes the revenue from the Games onto the countries' IOCs. Those IOCs then distribute the money as they see fit.

Could the IOC ever stop money from trickling down to hockey the sport?
Don't know, but considering that NBC is a principal contributor to the IOC's overall balance sheet, I somewhat doubt that they'd go down that stringent of a route to put the squeeze on the American Olympic Committee.

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Problem is it won't be amateur players. It will be KHL players vs the worst from the rest of the world.
That's why it would be a good idea for the IIHF and IOC to make it a U-20 tournament. World Juniors on the Olympic stage would be compelling and the marketing angle would be that this is a showcase of future stars, sell the youth angle, etc. More interesting than watching minor league all-star teams take the ice.

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