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Capitals Re-sign Olaf Kolzig, $10.9m/2y

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02-11-2006, 05:40 PM
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Suck it, Habs, Avs, and Oil fans

Brings up a very good question though:

What is the value of a starting goaltender on the trade market? Apparently it's rising if now Marc Denis and Olaf Kolzig have now come off the market by their respective teams.
he's not avs fans' number one choice...avs and oil have better goalies to desire on their minds.

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One question: Why?

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avs and oil have better goalies to desire on their minds.
that might be so true.. both teams are storing up for the luongo sweepstake..

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One question: Why?
Well... because remaining in the cellar isn't a long-term goal for any team. They need time to groom a goaltending prospect. They want to attract free agents. They want to send a message (both to their roster and to UFAs) as to how they'll reward loyalty and character. They want to retain a solid veteran goaltender who gives them a chance to win. They want to build off what they have assembled and start winning again, not wallow in the basement for five-six years. Take your pick.

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Too much money. Imo, not a great move to sign a guy to a big contract knowing that:

1. He's old
2. You won't win a cup in his time frame
3. Less money to spend elsewhere
4. Kolzig becomes hard to trade should the desire ever come.

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he's not avs fans' number one choice...avs and oil have better goalies to desire on their minds.
Like who? Luongo's probably the only goalie who *might* be on the market better than Kolzig, and Florida's likely to demand overpayment. I suppose Marty Biron's another possible choice - he's good and cheap - but Buffalo's likely asking a lot as well.

I'm not sure the Avs should even make a trade - Aebischer's been playing well lately. If he keeps this up the Avs may not even need to make a move for a goalie.

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Habs fans wanted Olaf Kolzig?
He's certainly better than anything the Habs currently have. I think most teams would love to have a Kolzig on their team.

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02-12-2006, 12:02 AM
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He's certainly better than anything the Habs currently have. I think most teams would love to have a Kolzig on their team.
I agree he's better than anything the Habs currently have, but I haven't seen a single post on this board, or heard a single Hab fan for that matter say they wanted Olaf Kolzig. It's aking to saying 'suck it Ducks fans.' Totally irrelevant.

I actually haven't heard of any goalie that Hab fans want other than Luongo (which is a pipe dream). All posts revolving around Habs goaltending involves the desire to dump Theodore for whatever it takes.

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Too much money. Imo, not a great move to sign a guy to a big contract knowing that:

1. He's old
2. You won't win a cup in his time frame
3. Less money to spend elsewhere
4. Kolzig becomes hard to trade should the desire ever come.
Well as for cap space or what have you, that's not an issue. Leonsis has plenty to spend on the right kinds of players, and the payroll is nowhere near even the present cap, never mind the expected cap adjustment. He's prepared to spend on the right kinds of players and Kolzig only signed because they gave him what his agent called, "certain competitive assurances."

While they gave him a lot of money, relative to peers (Turco, Nabokov, Brodeur contract extensions) they did so because they did not give him long term. That costs extra. He's older, true, but you are only committed for two years. You get him as a UFA, for all intents and purposes, but you don't have to give him four to five years in the process, which is what many of the others received. Little gamble.

He wants to play beyond those two years. This is not the last contract he'll ever sign. So you give him two, giving the team flexibility, and the player the option to walk away after two years or sign another two-year extension, based on how happy he is with the team's progress. The source for that statement follows.

Washington Times:
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/2006...4608-2149r.htm

"The Caps feel Kolzig can play at least until he is 40 years old, a sentiment the goalie agrees with, but the contract was for only two years for two reasons -- it gives Kolzig the chance to move on if he doesn't like the direction the team is taking, and it doesn't tie the team down to a longer contract. "

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he's not avs fans' number one choice...avs and oil have better goalies to desire on their minds.
The point is that the Avs, Habs, and Oilers have been considered shoppers in the goaltenders market. A trade has yet to go down involving a high-profile goaltender, so IMO the market must be higher than what each of the buyers had been offering.

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02-13-2006, 05:32 AM
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... Leonsis has plenty to spend on the right kinds of players ... He's prepared to spend on the right kinds of players ...
Looking at the players the Caps signed after the lockout

- Petr Sykora (the one who gave up and went back to Europe, not the all-star)
- Andrew Cassells (basically, "fired" mid-season)
- Jeff Friesen (hugely unproductive for the Caps as compared to his prior teams)

What gives you any confidence the Capitals have a front office that CAN and WILL identify the "right kinds" of players?

Back before the lockout, when Leonsis was spending freely and the team's payroll was top-5, the Capitals either missed the playoffs or were first-round and out each year.

Wasn't the 2003-04 player fire sale and salary dump (Jagr, Lang, Bondra, Gonchar, Carter, Grier, etc., etc., etc.) leading to this year's so-called "re-build" a reflection -- an admission -- that the Caps failed pretty miserably at assembling the "right kinds of players"?

Your optimism that things will be different "next year" is touching, but it's hard to see the basis for it.

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02-13-2006, 05:37 AM
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Well... They want to attract free agents.
This has been one of the stranger justifications floated for re-signing Kolzig. He was drafted by the Capitals in 1989; he's been the starting goalie since 1997. What free agents has Kolzig "attracted" to the Capitals during that timeframe?

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This has been one of the stranger justifications floated for re-signing Kolzig. He was drafted by the Capitals in 1989; he's been the starting goalie since 1997. What free agents has Kolzig "attracted" to the Capitals during that timeframe?
Ovechkin + Kolzig is more attractive then Oveckin + Johnson.

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02-13-2006, 09:49 AM
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Ovechkin + Kolzig = 28th place.

Let us know when any premier "free agent" says "I'm signing with the Caps because they have Olie Kolzig."

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Ovechkin + Kolzig = 28th place.

Let us know when any premier "free agent" says "I'm signing with the Caps because they have Olie Kolzig."
I think you'll see a forward or two sign there because they want to play with Ovechkin.

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They are paying for loyalty. Not performance. This is more of a reward to Kolzig than a testament to how good he is.


But wow. Has the cap actually driven up salaries for top players?

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don't see why people are ripping on the Caps for re-signing Kolzig... they probably had to overpay a bit to have him play in Washington, which is a reality for most underproductive teams that add new contracts.

From the Caps perspective, signing him was necessary... even on a rebuilding team, you don't want to go without a #1 goalie. And having him there will attract more players than it would otherwise....

that's not to say that you'll see UFAs like Sakic, Blake, Redden or Chara lining up to sign with the Caps... but there are plenty of UFAs out there that would consider going to the Caps for a little more than another team would pay, especially if they know there's at least a chance that going there won't mean they will be part of the worst team in the NHL... having a #1 goalie goes a long way towards establishing that.

The caps also have TONS of cap space... a roster full of young players, on entry or soon after entry level contracts will do that... that should give them plenty of space to add 2-3 UFAs if they want...

in the end though, re-signing Kolzig - and rewarding a guy that has stayed so loyal to his team, was not only the right thing to do, it was the only thing this team could do... how attractive would the Caps be to any UFAs, if the message instead was that the team wants to look at other options in goal, when a legitimate #1 veteran goalie wants to be back, and the team is not interested in having him back?

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This has been one of the stranger justifications floated for re-signing Kolzig. He was drafted by the Capitals in 1989; he's been the starting goalie since 1997. What free agents has Kolzig "attracted" to the Capitals during that timeframe?
It's a valid reason, IMO. It's not going to open the floodgates or anything, but, it sends a message that the team has desires to improve. How bad would the Caps be without Kolzig? The more games you win, the better environment it is to be around the team. No one wants to be on the last place team in the league, and with this signing, the Caps become better. Depending on Ovechkin's development, with Kolzig, the Caps could make a run at a playoff spot in the next couple of years. A mediocre free agent, that doesn't get much interest from some of hte bigger teams, may elect to come to Washington for market rates.

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Damned if you do (Kolzig), damned if you don't (Bondra)....

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Clearly the Caps still need help in a few areas, but re-signing Kolzig is good move for the future of the team. He can still provide A-level goaltending for 3-4 more years as the youth matures; the key will be the help that GMGM brings aboard in the next season or two.

I don't think the Caps are that far away from playoff contention.

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I doubt the caps will go after a premium free agent next season and even if they did they would likely have to overpay. Ted has thrown down the money but has admitted it was his mistake (Jagr). I do think signing Kolzig was a good move by the caps. He is the captain of the team and gives the team stability. His salary might seem high to others but for the caps he is worth it.

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Clearly the Caps still need help in a few areas, but re-signing Kolzig is good move for the future of the team. He can still provide A-level goaltending for 3-4 more years as the youth matures; the key will be the help that GMGM brings aboard in the next season or two.

I don't think the Caps are that far away from playoff contention.
I agree 100% (except maybe not being that far away from P/O contention). The signing sends the right message to the team and the fans. We are willing to pay market value to our key players to keep them around and build around them. As a Hawks fan I am jealous.

Even if the Caps aren't serious competitor's for the P/O's over the next couple of years, they know they will be getting consistent goaltending that gives them a chance to win. The $ amount of the contract is pretty much irrelevant. The Cap's aren't going to be anywhere near the salary cap level (heck, even the revenue sharing $ limit) so this is a good signing IMO.

It's not like there was a realistic, significant upgrade available in the off-season, and this keeps a fan favorite around. Pretty much a "win-win" situation IMO.

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This has been one of the stranger justifications floated for re-signing Kolzig. He was drafted by the Capitals in 1989; he's been the starting goalie since 1997. What free agents has Kolzig "attracted" to the Capitals during that timeframe?
As others have noted in their responses, it is not about Kolzig alone in terms of attracting UFAs, but in my mind there is no question the Caps are becoming a more appealing destination for free agents in the coming seasons and signing Kolzig helps. I don't think the Caps will be top of the list for the highest talent UFAs this summer, but the Caps do become more appealing with Kolzig signed. Reasons a UFA would look at Washington this summer: 1) an established #1 goalie in nets that decided to stay on with a rebuilding team; 2) opportunity to play with Ovechkin and get significant ice time; 3) new training facility; 4) reputation for solid/posiitve locker room/team environment; 5) Cap room...IMO, all of these things (plus others) combined will enable the Caps to pick up a respectable top 6 player and hopefully a d-man this off-season.

Your example about Cassels - I have no issue with that signing; disappointing that it did not work out and glad all parties went their separate ways, but last summer the Caps were not an appealing destination for bigger name guys and Cassels was a risk, but one worth taking. IMO, hard to judge the Friesen acqusition because of his injury/surgery (it is not like he had a history of injuries).

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I can't agree with 'they probably had to overpay him'. Ollie's been there forever..if anything, they coulda got him cheaper. This was for past performance.

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Cut him some slack, you know everyone here who posts are psychologists-scouts-agents-attorneys-general managers-"cap"'ologists-omnipotent beings rolled into one. sarcasm:

For his next trick, Kolzig will demand a trade because he's getting paid so much.

I'm sure Caps fans are happy, they don't care what people say at this point. If this team signs the right free-agents come summer I'll be scared. You have the goalie, you have the cornerstone forward, all that is left is to find the right mix of players.
2 down, 20 more to go!

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