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04-10-2017, 07:27 PM
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If 10th on the team is alot to you, I don't know what to say.

Here's a helpful article that breaks down some things for you.

https://jetsnation.ca/2017/03/22/by-...dano-vs-lowry/
Enough to get a point or two or look like you belong.

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04-10-2017, 08:13 PM
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He should be RFA after this season. But his results are not so good in the past 2 seasons.
So, is a new contract in play? Or would it be better for him to go to Europe for 2 or 3 seasons and they come back?
Re-sign him for 2 x 925k before the expansion draft.

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Uhmm, no. Where did you draw that conclusion from?
That's what you get from most opinions around here IMO. Might be wrong. Have we ever done a poll?

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Results last two seasons...

5v5 points per hour
Dano 1.58
Copp 1.38
Lowry 1.09
Armia 1.03

Linemate Corsi% change with player
Dano +2.1
Copp -0.7
Armia -1.2
Lowry -1.8

So Dano is scoring more than those guys and improving shot differentials more than those guys.

If Dano is not playing well over the last two seasons, what's your thoughts on the other three?
That's quite the extrapolation for someone who has 19 points, and a good chunk based on secondary assists, over two years.

8 goals, 4 primary assists, 7 secondary assists.

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That's what you get from most opinions around here IMO. Might be wrong. Have we ever done a poll?
No poll that I can recollect though I think everyone is agreed that the Jets would be protecting Lowry and Perreault over Dano (as they should be in my opinion).

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No poll that I can recollect though I think everyone is agreed that the Jets would be protecting Lowry and Perreault over Dano (as they should be in my opinion).
I think they should keep Dano instead of Lowry. Not because I think Dano > Lowry, but he brings an element to our lineup that we start to lack more and more: getting in the opponents face.

Also, we have Petan and Roslovic both going to want that 3rd line center spot very soon and especially Roslovic has way higher upside than Lowry. We need to put him in a position to become a 2nd line center sooner than later.

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04-11-2017, 06:32 AM
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Results last two seasons...

5v5 points per hour
Dano 1.58
Copp 1.38
Lowry 1.09
Armia 1.03

Linemate Corsi% change with player
Dano +2.1
Copp -0.7
Armia -1.2
Lowry -1.8

So Dano is scoring more than those guys and improving shot differentials more than those guys.

If Dano is not playing well over the last two seasons, what's your thoughts on the other three?
It's just how TNSE roll in the bottom six, they don't value scoring and production they are more into intangibles like character, size, grit, fighting, and keeping the puck away from the opposition. I really wish they would build a top 9 instead of a top 6 but I don't think they ever will.

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04-11-2017, 06:47 AM
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I think they should keep Dano instead of Lowry. Not because I think Dano > Lowry, but he brings an element to our lineup that we start to lack more and more: getting in the opponents face.

Also, we have Petan and Roslovic both going to want that 3rd line center spot very soon and especially Roslovic has way higher upside than Lowry. We need to put him in a position to become a 2nd line center sooner than later.
Lowry has been utilized in a lot of situations. He plays PP, PK, he has become more reliable in face-offs, he's big and utilizes his body, he is defensively responsible and has some offensive production.

If Lowry was plucked on XD, who do we have as established centres? Not Petan or Roslovic. They both need to develop further before we entrust half of our centre slots to them. I think our time of throwing unproven players into big responsibility positions is coming to a close. I don't see Petan or Roslovic being gifted good spots next year. They'll have to slowly earn their time based on merit.

If you like Dano because he gets in opponents faces, don't forget that Lowry leads the team in hits. If you think we lack a phsyical presence, taking a guy like Lowry out for Dano isn't solving it.

No chance that Dano gets protected over Lowry.

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04-11-2017, 06:49 AM
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It's just how TNSE roll in the bottom six, they don't value scoring and production they are more into intangibles like character, size, grit, fighting, and keeping the puck away from the opposition. I really wish they would build a top 9 instead of a top 6 but I don't think they ever will.
When you have a guy like Connor knocking on the door, I am expecting our top 9 to develop differently next year...especially if Armia can finally realize his potential.

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Lowry has been utilized in a lot of situations. He plays PP, PK, he has become more reliable in face-offs, he's big and utilizes his body, he is defensively responsible and has some offensive production.

If Lowry was plucked on XD, who do we have as established centres? Not Petan or Roslovic. They both need to develop further before we entrust half of our centre slots to them. I think our time of throwing unproven players into big responsibility positions is coming to a close. I don't see Petan or Roslovic being gifted good spots next year. They'll have to slowly earn their time based on merit.

If you like Dano because he gets in opponents faces, don't forget that Lowry leads the team in hits. If you think we lack a phsyical presence, taking a guy like Lowry out for Dano isn't solving it.

No chance that Dano gets protected over Lowry.
I don't agree about playing Lowry on the PP personally. No need for that with the firepower we potentially have. PK - sure. But Dano has all the tools to become a great PK specialist (think Frolik level).

Don't get me wrong: I'm very happy with the season Lowry has had. I just don't think he will be part of this team down the stretch in a couple of years because of Roslovic and/or Petan.

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I don't agree about playing Lowry on the PP personally. No need for that with the firepower we potentially have. PK - sure. But Dano has all the tools to become a great PK specialist (think Frolik level).

Don't get me wrong: I'm very happy with the season Lowry has had. I just don't think he will be part of this team down the stretch in a couple of years because of Roslovic and/or Petan.
I guess it depends on whether they'll keep Roslovic at centre or have him on the wing in the NHL. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Petan being moved out if Chevy wants to bolster defensive depth.

I think the Jets are happy with Lowry's progress this year and the various roles he can be utilized in. I don't think they will be moving on from Lowry any time soon.

That said, if Roslovic does pan out very well and puts pressure for playing time at the centre position and Lowry falters a bit, maybe a change happens down the road. I just don't think it's wise to kill our centre depth yet for an underutilized Dano.

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Who knows why but for whatever reason Maurice doesn't see a fit for him. I thought his comments about replacing young players at the bottom of the lineup who he deemed where flatelinning and not fitting with older players who fit better was pretty telling. I'd guess he views Dano and possibly Petan in that light.

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I guess it depends on whether they'll keep Roslovic at centre or have him on the wing in the NHL. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Petan being moved out if Chevy wants to bolster defensive depth.

I think the Jets are happy with Lowry's progress this year and the various roles he can be utilized in. I don't think they will be moving on from Lowry any time soon.

That said, if Roslovic does pan out very well and puts pressure for playing time at the centre position and Lowry falters a bit, maybe a change happens down the road. I just don't think it's wise to kill our centre depth yet for an underutilized Dano.
Fair enough and a very valid point you have to consider.

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Lowry has been utilized in a lot of situations. He plays PP, PK, he has become more reliable in face-offs, he's big and utilizes his body, he is defensively responsible and has some offensive production.

If Lowry was plucked on XD, who do we have as established centres? Not Petan or Roslovic. They both need to develop further before we entrust half of our centre slots to them. I think our time of throwing unproven players into big responsibility positions is coming to a close. I don't see Petan or Roslovic being gifted good spots next year. They'll have to slowly earn their time based on merit.

If you like Dano because he gets in opponents faces, don't forget that Lowry leads the team in hits. If you think we lack a phsyical presence, taking a guy like Lowry out for Dano isn't solving it.

No chance that Dano gets protected over Lowry.
I don't think that situation is even plausible. If we go 4 fwds, then neither get protected. If we go 7 fwds, then both do.

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When referring to Lowry over the last few seasons Maurice says he is "training for" his role. He does not say "competing for". Lowry is staying. Dano, Petan, Copp - they are "competing for".

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Who knows why but for whatever reason Maurice doesn't see a fit for him. I thought his comments about replacing young players at the bottom of the lineup who he deemed where flatelinning and not fitting with older players who fit better was pretty telling. I'd guess he views Dano and possibly Petan in that light.
By product of dressing a face puncher for 65 games. Coaching failure on this one for sure.

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By product of dressing a face puncher for 65 games. Coaching failure on this one for sure.
Agreed, I personally don't agree with it at all.

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That's quite the extrapolation for someone who has 19 points, and a good chunk based on secondary assists, over two years.

8 goals, 4 primary assists, 7 secondary assists.
There's no extrapolation. It's literally his point per hour pace.

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Dano 2015-16 1.41 points/60
Dano 2016-17 1.56

Lowry 2014-15 1.12
Lowry 2015-16 1.05
Lowry 2016-17 1.10

Armia 2015-16 0.88
Armia 2016-17 1.12

Copp 2015-16 1.42
Copp 2016-17 1.35

Seems pretty consistent for an extrapolation...

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Would love to see Dano be packaged with Petan (and other prospects) for a star defenseman.

Such as Ekman-Larsson or Ekblad.

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But Dano has all the tools to become a great PK specialist (think Frolik level).
Okay, now i have heard it all.

- Not so good skater
- Terrible balance
- Short body
- Short & Not so good defensive stick
- Not so good on board battles

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Would love to see Dano be packaged with Petan (and other prospects) for a star defenseman.

Such as Ekman-Larsson or Ekblad.
Please don't post this idea on the main board.

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Would love to see Dano be packaged with Petan (and other prospects) for a star defenseman.

Such as Ekman-Larsson or Ekblad.
This is how overrated Petan and Dano have become around here.

A trade for either of them does not start with Petan and Dano.

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Okay, now i have heard it all.

- Not so good skater
- Terrible balance
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- Short & Not so good defensive stick
- Not so good on board battles
You are talking about a team that uses Lowry on the top PP unit and Stu on the PK right?

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This is how overrated Petan and Dano have become around here.

A trade for either of them does not start with Petan and Dano.
That is one wild trade proposal which does not provide anything more than one opinion. Seems like the opinions on Dano are split at this point.

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