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04-11-2017, 07:41 PM
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For those wanting a top 4 d-man, please remember we have Trouba, Morrissey, Buff, Myers and Enstrom.

You want six top four defencemen? I get improving defensive depth but how much can we really spend in this area? Sure, after Enstrom's contract is up, I can see us upgrading at that time. Not sure there is enough minutes to give to our top five as it is.
I don't see us upgrading on d unless we lose or move out a D before hand. And the UFA market is a very unforgiving place looking for vet d-man wanting to cash in on one last contract.

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For those wanting a top 4 d-man, please remember we have Trouba, Morrissey, Buff, Myers and Enstrom.

You want six top four defencemen? I get improving defensive depth but how much can we really spend in this area? Sure, after Enstrom's contract is up, I can see us upgrading at that time. Not sure there is enough minutes to give to our top five as it is.
Enstrom's slipping - he may not bounce back next season. Willing to roll the dice?

Myers return to the ice has been just around the corner since before Christmas. Is he going to play 80 games next year? 60? 40? 20?

So if Enstrom continues to decline, Myers remains injury prone and one of our other good defensemen gets hurt, we're right back to where we were most of this year. Plan B should be better than Chiarot, Melchiori, Stuart, Strait.

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04-11-2017, 07:45 PM
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Every pundit that comes on xm even the ones that hate the jets all say we have a good defence. That's not an area of concern.

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My expectations are pretty low.

Resign Little. Preferably on July 1st so the announcement can take attention away from the lack of activity in the market.

Extend Maurice.

Find statistically the worst G in the league that isn't named Pavelec and sign/trade.

Find statistically the worst D in the league that isn't Street or Strait or whoever the hell we had and sign him.

Call both of the latter moves progress.

Probably missing something here but I don't know what his cottage situation is like; maybe a new dock or hot tub.

Edit: that's actually a pretty full off season when I look at it. Boy do I feel silly.

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04-11-2017, 07:53 PM
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Every pundit that comes on xm even the ones that hate the jets all say we have a good defence. That's not an area of concern.
Then you're not paying attention. Look ahead 2-3 years. Enstrom & Myers will be out of the picture. Trouba will have to be traded if he doesn't extend within the next 15 months. What does Buff's game look like at 35 years old?

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Enstrom's slipping - he may not bounce back next season. Willing to roll the dice?

Myers return to the ice has been just around the corner since before Christmas. Is he going to play 80 games next year? 60? 40? 20?

So if Enstrom continues to decline, Myers remains injury prone and one of our other good defensemen gets hurt, we're right back to where we were most of this year. Plan B should be better than Chiarot, Melchiori, Stuart, Strait.
Valid concerns but adding a top 4 D is a significant investment (and hard to find). I think the play here is to add defensive depth better than our maligned AHL calibre players but not spend heavily.

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Every pundit that comes on xm even the ones that hate the jets all say we have a good defence. That's not an area of concern.
I think the talk on the Jets defense would be very different around here if all of Buff, Trouba, Morrissey, Myers and Toby played 75+ games. And very, very different if you add that to an average NHL starter.

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Then you're not paying attention. Look ahead 2-3 years. Enstrom & Myers will be out of the picture. Trouba will have to be traded if he doesn't extend within the next 15 months. What does Buff's game look like at 35 years old?
Look ahead 2-3 years and imagine the top D leaves without replacement and almost every NHL D looks shaky.

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Look ahead 2-3 years and imagine the top D leaves without replacement and almost every NHL D looks shaky.
Difference being our top D has publicly demanded a trade once already.

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Difference being our top D has publicly demanded a trade once already.
Trouba would fetch a very good young LHD and probably more, if it came to that.

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04-11-2017, 08:32 PM
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Trouba would fetch a very good young LHD and probably more, if it came to that.
Expect quantity, not an equal.

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Required: Forward group is decent even post ED. Coaching changes seem off the table (ugh). Draft BPA, LHD wouldn't be a bad thing if it works out. Either via trade or FA get vet goalie signed for 2-3 years max term. Extend or trade or decide Littles fate.

Optional: is top 4 LHD & bottom pairing upgrade. PK specialist vet & good 3C vet that can help bottom six. Can we at least look at a new goalie coach?

Would be really nice: Extend Trouba, highly unlikely Trouba agrees at this point.

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Expect quantity, not an equal.
Don't trade him. Trouba telegraphed his next move in his media avail. He's not signing an extension this summer unless it's over the top. He plans on playing out next season and using the leverage of arbitration. He'll sign a long term deal just before the arbitration hearing.

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Enstrom's slipping - he may not bounce back next season. Willing to roll the dice?

Myers return to the ice has been just around the corner since before Christmas. Is he going to play 80 games next year? 60? 40? 20?

So if Enstrom continues to decline, Myers remains injury prone and one of our other good defensemen gets hurt, we're right back to where we were most of this year. Plan B should be better than Chiarot, Melchiori, Stuart, Strait.
A Postma type, even the right-handed version in Postma, is both a cheaper and a more acquirable option than an established top 4 D.

**** it, get two but I hardly see adding another $4m + to the blueline as a viable option.

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Valid concerns but adding a top 4 D is a significant investment (and hard to find). I think the play here is to add defensive depth better than our maligned AHL calibre players but not spend heavily.
Well stated. I'm also hoping that a couple more options in Poolman and maybe even Niku can get in between Stuart and NHL ice. Hell, I guess the Czech ice hockey federation even has a little faith in Jan Kostalek.

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I think the talk on the Jets defense would be very different around here if all of Buff, Trouba, Morrissey, Myers and Toby played 75+ games. And very, very different if you add that to an average NHL starter.
I agree with both points. It really flies in the face of the odds to imagine the Jets will have as many man games lost next year as they did this.

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Look ahead 2-3 years and imagine the top D leaves without replacement and almost every NHL D looks shaky.
Great point. I know there are those out there actually trying to paint a picture of the worst case scenario of the coming years, but that necessitates only relinquishing D and not acquiring any at all.

Every team drafts and develops? Every team acquires defencemen, too.

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Don't trade him. Trouba telegraphed his next move in his media avail. He's not signing an extension this summer unless it's over the top. He plans on playing out next season and using the leverage of arbitration. He'll sign a long term deal just before the arbitration hearing.
I wish I had your confidence, but I think you're right that that's when I contract would come.

I'd say pay it.

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04-12-2017, 07:05 AM
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I could be wrong but Trouba seems easier to read as things move on. His camp is driven primarily through maximizing his earning potential and I really don't think he cares where he does it. I have no doubt that he will sign long term if it hits his threshold.

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Every pundit that comes on xm even the ones that hate the jets all say we have a good defence. That's not an area of concern.
Oh, well! Pundits say, that clears things up.

What we have is several sometimes good defensemen but it is less than the sum of its parts.

We gave up the fourth most goals in the league this year. Very nearly as many as Dallas who have both terrible goaltending and a terrible D corps. That is not a good defense.

We have a good top pair with Morrissey and Trouba. After that it is a mishmash. Toby is declining. Buff is roaming. Myers is not playing. Postma is almost certainly leaving. Our only left shot in the top 4 is a rookie unless Toby rebounds and there is no guarantee of that. We have nothing in the system that isn't years away. Oh, forgot Poolman. He may or may not be ready, or near ready.

With all those parts and pieces we can put together a good D corps with the addition of 1 top 4 LHD. That would buy some time for more to develop in the system.

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Trouba would fetch a very good young LHD and probably more, if it came to that.
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Expect quantity, not an equal.
Yes. .... A very good young LHD, plus a good prospect, maybe more.

No one piece equal to Trouba but still very good.

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Oh, well! Pundits say, that clears things up.

What we have is several sometimes good defensemen but it is less than the sum of its parts.

We gave up the fourth most goals in the league this year. Very nearly as many as Dallas who have both terrible goaltending and a terrible D corps. That is not a good defense.

We have a good top pair with Morrissey and Trouba. After that it is a mishmash. Toby is declining. Buff is roaming. Myers is not playing. Postma is almost certainly leaving. Our only left shot in the top 4 is a rookie unless Toby rebounds and there is no guarantee of that. We have nothing in the system that isn't years away. Oh, forgot Poolman. He may or may not be ready, or near ready.

With all those parts and pieces we can put together a good D corps with the addition of 1 top 4 LHD. That would buy some time for more to develop in the system.
sorry we have bad goaltending and our forwards are bad at playing defence mostly because most of them are still young. that is why we let in a lot of goals.

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04-15-2017, 07:39 PM
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Chevy will add Connor and maybe one more rookie for the bottom 6. He will add Poolman or stand pat of D. And will get a cheap back up goalie for Helly. That's the only changing I see coming. We will be a very low spending cap team next year because ehlers , Trouba , morriesy and Lowry all come up for raises the year after. The cap space we have is already spent the next year. Chevy can't and won't do much other then cheap internal upgrades

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Enstrom's slipping - he may not bounce back next season. Willing to roll the dice?

Myers return to the ice has been just around the corner since before Christmas. Is he going to play 80 games next year? 60? 40? 20?

So if Enstrom continues to decline, Myers remains injury prone and one of our other good defensemen gets hurt, we're right back to where we were most of this year. Plan B should be better than Chiarot, Melchiori, Stuart, Strait.
I think Enstrom is in decline but there were injuries and his personal life also to consider for a below average season for Enstrom...if he gets 16-18 minutes a game next year, I am fine with that.
I hope we get a 1LHD or 2LHD before training camp so Enstrom can play 3rd pairing and 2nd PK.
It wouldn't surprise me if Enstrom has a better season next year than this past one...it would surprise me if he didn't.

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I think Enstrom is in decline but there were injuries and his personal life also to consider for a below average season for Enstrom...if he gets 16-18 minutes a game next year, I am fine with that.
I hope we get a 1LHD or 2LHD before training camp so Enstrom can play 3rd pairing and 2nd PK.
It wouldn't surprise me if Enstrom has a better season next year than this past one...it would surprise me if he didn't.
It blows my mind that some of us fans still think it's possible Chevy trades for top player. We are a D and D team. Add that to the NMC realization. I wouldn't hold your breath for any significant trades

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Chevy will add Connor and maybe one more rookie for the bottom 6. He will add Poolman or stand pat of D. And will get a cheap back up goalie for Helly. That's the only changing I see coming. We will be a very low spending cap team next year because ehlers , Trouba , morriesy and Lowry all come up for raises the year after. The cap space we have is already spent the next year. Chevy can't and won't do much other then cheap internal upgrades
As it stands today, there is over 45m of cap space for that year.

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It blows my mind that some of us fans still think it's possible Chevy trades for top player. We are a D and D team. Add that to the NMC realization. I wouldn't hold your breath for any significant trades
Doesn't have to be a trade.
It could be in free agency.
It could be in a deal with Vegas.

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Doesn't have to be a trade.
It could be in free agency.
It could be in a deal with Vegas.

Even less chance in free agency. The best player we have acquired in 7 years is Perrault. Hardly a game changer.

The best way to predict the future is to evaluate the past

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As it stands today, there is over 45m of cap space for that year.
We are a budget team. We will not spend to the cap. Not until we absolutely have too ( if we ever do )

So that 40 mil isn't what we have to spend. It's just the cap.


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Even less chance in free agency. The best player we have acquired in 7 years is Perrault. Hardly a game changer.

The best way to predict the future is to evaluate the past
Why should Chevy have signed a high profile free agent when we weren't close yet? It is time to start spending a bit closer to the ceiling and adding some needed pieces.

Even if we stayed 10m away from the cap, that still leaves over 35m for that year.

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