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04-18-2017, 07:11 PM
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Realistic summer...Chevy you say?

Get some fishing in, repaint the cabin, play a few rounds of golf.

Maybe go all out and do some landscaping around the yard. Put up a new gazebo?
If he does that again (plus draft) we're screwed again next year.

Thankfully based on PMO and Chevy's comments at the end of year, sounds like they're starting to feel some pressure to produce results finally. Hopefully the free ride is ending and Chipman is setting some real expectations.

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Goalie to challenge and push Helle. I still believe he can take the next step, but he can't do it on his own.

LHD - either 2nd or 3rd pairing, to shore up Morrissey and Enstrom. If we can push Enstrom to the third pairing, he'll be incredibly effective as a 3rd pairing D. Don't give a **** about the cap / salary hit for him at this point, as it's a sunk cost.

Those should be relatively easy to do, and (given appropriate coaching from Maurice - IE: just return to his earlier 5v5 play and defensive zone systems from a couple of years ago), and this team should be able to make some noise.

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Some teams spend their late 1st round picks on legit starting goaltending, others spend them on Logan Stanley...
That Anderson deal should have been us!

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I'm expecting a veteren backup goalie on a short term contract.

Also some defensive depth should be added. Hopefully two players that can keep Stuart in the Press Box for the entire season.

I don't think that's to high of expectation of Chevy.

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04-19-2017, 08:32 PM
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That Anderson deal should have been us!
They were betting that, long term, Hellebuyck will be better than Andersen.

I'd make the same bet. Then and now.

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04-20-2017, 05:49 AM
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They were betting that, long term, Hellebuyck will be better than Andersen.

I'd make the same bet. Then and now.
Agreed. Acquiring Andersen meant losing him or Helle in the expansion draft. Hindsight is 20:20 but it sure looked like Helle was going to be a legit long term starter. He might still. Goalies are hoodoo.

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Agreed. Acquiring Andersen meant losing him or Helle in the expansion draft. Hindsight is 20:20 but it sure looked like Helle was going to be a legit long term starter. He might still. Goalies are hoodoo.
We had a revolving door of AHL caliber defence in front of Helle this season. I don't know why everyone's surprised our 23 year old goaltender with still only 80 NHL games under his belt put up below average numbers.

Yeah he let in some softies, but the hype for Helle has dropped significantly after this season. Too significantly low IMO.

Def a good idea to sign a 1A/1B for him tho anyway.

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04-20-2017, 07:07 PM
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We need someone to come in and play 50-55 games.

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04-20-2017, 07:52 PM
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We had a revolving door of AHL caliber defence in front of Helle this season. I don't know why everyone's surprised our 23 year old goaltender with still only 80 NHL games under his belt put up below average numbers.

Yeah he let in some softies, but the hype for Helle has dropped significantly after this season. Too significantly low IMO.

Def a good idea to sign a 1A/1B for him tho anyway.
There is not much you can do about the number of injuries we had on the backend last season. When you are digging 3 or 4 players deep from your farm team would you expect anything other than AHL caliber d-man? No team has the luxury of having NHL caliber d-man playing on the 2nd pairing in the A waiting on injury #4 to get some NHL action. If healthy Trouba, Buff, Morrissey, Myers and Toby is a really nice top 5. Saying that I'd feel a lot better having a proven goalie as option #1.

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We need someone to come in and play 50-55 games.
I disagree. I think the Jets need someone to play 30-ish games and take over for brief periods if Hellebuyck needs a break.

I actually think Hellebuyck will be better than whoever they bring in next year. I'm betting that person, however, will be better than Hutchinson.

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I disagree. I think the Jets need someone to play 30-ish games and take over for brief periods if Hellebuyck needs a break.

I actually think Hellebuyck will be better than whoever they bring in next year. I'm betting that person, however, will be better than Hutchinson.
I'm betting that we don't improve in save percentage period regardless of who we get as a back up until
this whole rotten coaching staff is gone.
Just don't see the Miracle at MTS happening, there is no indication that Maurice has this in him none.
Huddy and Flaherty have accomplished what exactly ?
Serious concerns yet again going into another season.

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Boy it's impressive seeing GM's who have made trades to improve their teams and made the playoffs. Some big moves and many smaller ones in value at the time that have resulted in big improvements.

My grade on Chevy hasn't changed in multi years, still a C. If he does nothing again this summer or close to nothing and we struggle yet again next year his grade falls significantly.

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Boy it's impressive seeing GM's who have made trades to improve their teams and made the playoffs. Some big moves and many smaller ones in value at the time that have resulted in big improvements.

My grade on Chevy hasn't changed in multi years, still a C. If he does nothing again this summer or close to nothing and we struggle yet again next year his grade falls significantly.
Outside of a goalie what do you think he needs to do? Say he grabs a good goalie and a good depth forward to help the PK and give us a decent 4th line that Maurice will play what would you grade that as? That wouldn't be doing much but I'm of the mind that he doesn't need to do much, just fix the biggest issue.

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04-20-2017, 10:35 PM
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Outside of a goalie what do you think he needs to do? Say he grabs a good goalie and a good depth forward to help the PK and give us a decent 4th line that Maurice will play what would you grade that as? That wouldn't be doing much but I'm of the mind that he doesn't need to do much, just fix the biggest issue.
Biggest need by far, no brainer is a goalie, this is a must.

Everything else is just a plus, but all those plus's add up to a big improvement potentially. PK specialist, bottom six upgrades, bottom pairing D upgrade, top 4 LHD upgrade, a big one is a potential change in the face & outlook of the team is possible trade of Buff for a more balanced two way D (example Preds/Habs trade).

To be clear I'm not expecting or even advocating all these moves, but the team is not a contender as it's currently constructed, albeit it could be a bubble or short playoff team as is if we had significantly less injuries.

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Outside of a goalie what do you think he needs to do? Say he grabs a good goalie and a good depth forward to help the PK and give us a decent 4th line that Maurice will play what would you grade that as? That wouldn't be doing much but I'm of the mind that he doesn't need to do much, just fix the biggest issue.
He needs to repalce the coaching staff.

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I think Nashville is a good comparison for us. Poile has a lot of guts, trading away Weber and Jones. Looks like he knows what he knows what he is doing too.

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I think Nashville is a good comparison for us. Poile has a lot of guts, trading away Weber and Jones. Looks like he knows what he knows what he is doing too.
When Pekka Rinne is "on" he sure does.

Pekka Rinne has not been terribly consistent for the last few years, though.

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Nashville also has the D depth to make those moves...

I think we are similar to them in terms of what we want to be like, a perennial playoff contender for sure but i look at how they draft and they draft tons of D men every draft... They needed to make that trade for RyJo, they didn't have a number 1 center, we do...

Weber? They got another D man, maybe just as good in Subban back....

Our biggest need isn't the same as theirs, our biggest need are D men and a goaltender.. There biggest needs were forwards.

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There is not much you can do about the number of injuries we had on the backend last season. When you are digging 3 or 4 players deep from your farm team would you expect anything other than AHL caliber d-man? No team has the luxury of having NHL caliber d-man playing on the 2nd pairing in the A waiting on injury #4 to get some NHL action. If healthy Trouba, Buff, Morrissey, Myers and Toby is a really nice top 5. Saying that I'd feel a lot better having a proven goalie as option #1.
Just a comment on our injuries. It's been pointed out that we are losing players somewhat due to our pk where we stand around and try to block shots instead of skating and playing hockey. I'd like to see us stop using bodies as shields as our main pk weapon.

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Just a comment on our injuries. It's been pointed out that we are losing players somewhat due to our pk where we stand around and try to block shots instead of skating and playing hockey. I'd like to see us stop using bodies as shields as our main pk weapon.
Name one injury that resulted from a blocked shot....

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Name one injury that resulted from a blocked shot....
Didn't Trouba break a hand blocking a shot?

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There is not much you can do about the number of injuries we had on the backend last season. When you are digging 3 or 4 players deep from your farm team would you expect anything other than AHL caliber d-man? No team has the luxury of having NHL caliber d-man playing on the 2nd pairing in the A waiting on injury #4 to get some NHL action. If healthy Trouba, Buff, Morrissey, Myers and Toby is a really nice top 5. Saying that I'd feel a lot better having a proven goalie as option #1.
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Other than Myers who was essentially out the entire year our D injuries came late in the season. Long after we were out of play-off contention. The first half of the year it was our forward corps that was hit by injuries.

The last half of the season we got at least a little better goaltending than we did in the first half. That is when they were playing behind the Moose D. We went 17-10-3 in the last 30 games. A lot of that was behind the Moose D.

Our forwards were mostly healthy and they were doing a better job in the D & N zones. Fewer NZ turnovers takes a lot of pressure off the D and the goalies.


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Other than Myers who was essentially out the entire year our D injuries came late in the season. Long after we were out of play-off contention. The first half of the year it was our forward corps that was hit by injuries.

The last half of the season we got at least a little better goaltending than we did in the first half. That is when they were playing behind the Moose D. We went 17-10-3 in the last 30 games. A lot of that was behind the Moose D.

Our forwards were mostly healthy and they were doing a better job in the D & N zones. Fewer NZ turnovers takes a lot of pressure off the D and the goalies.
If Trouba, Buff, Morrissey, Myers and Enstrom are all healthy for the season we won't have to worry about AHL players playing D for us. No team has good d depth in the A unless they are on ELC's. Fringe veterans just get distributed around the league if they are waived. Until we get to the point where you have a stable of good d prospects you will have **** to call up. No way around it.

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Other than Myers who was essentially out the entire year our D injuries came late in the season. Long after we were out of play-off contention. The first half of the year it was our forward corps that was hit by injuries.

The last half of the season we got at least a little better goaltending than we did in the first half. That is when they were playing behind the Moose D. We went 17-10-3 in the last 30 games. A lot of that was behind the Moose D.

Our forwards were mostly healthy and they were doing a better job in the D & N zones. Fewer NZ turnovers takes a lot of pressure off the D and the goalies.
I still have a notion that you can win in today's NHL with killer forwards and so-so defense. The Pens roll that way. So do the Leafs. If your forwards can dominate in neutral and offensive zones and your D can just make basic plays quickly, I think you can be successful. The Jets were better when they had healthy forwards and a weaker D, both this season and in 2014/15.

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I still have a notion that you can win in today's NHL with killer forwards and so-so defense. The Pens roll that way. So do the Leafs. If your forwards can dominate in neutral and offensive zones and your D can just make basic plays quickly, I think you can be successful. The Jets were better when they had healthy forwards and a weaker D, both this season and in 2014/15.
I think you may be right, Whileee ... it does seem that this season, the health of our forward corps seemed to coincide with better results much moreso than healthy D. Despite the talk in this thread of excusing Hellebuyck's lackluster performance because of "AHL defence", the time periods we were really thin on D were actually when his/the Jets' record was better (beginning and end of the season).

Not that I'm in any way adverse to having an upgrade at D (preferably #2 LD). And I really do think that we need an upgrade in net as a 1A/1B with Hellebuyck because I'm still really unsure of what we have with Helle and want a proven goalie to push him or carry the ball if Helle falters again.

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