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Matthews vs. Eichel - Which C would you build your team around?

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04-13-2017, 07:01 PM
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I wasn't commenting on overall on a player, I was commenting on strength on the skates. Matthews beats Eichel (and just about anybody in the league) in that category hands down.

He's a strong player on his skates, but now are you saying he's as strong as Crosby on his skates?


Good lord.

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04-13-2017, 07:02 PM
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I live in Burlington and watched almost every game this season.

Sorry for being honest.
opinions arent fact im sure nobody will hold it against you

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Depends on alot of things really.

Eichel has proven he can be the 1c on basically a one line team. Almost hit ppg

Matthews has proven he is a capable center playing on a 3 line team buuuut he did it while centering rookies.

To keep this simple it depends on what you want around them.

Playmakers? Then Matthews
Scorers/playmakers ? Then Eichel.


Haha my reasoning probably sucks.

So ill do this simple

Matthews, i like his skillset more altho in my opinion eicjel is up there with him aswee
Matthews has 8 less goals in 60 less games and has always out produced Eichel. I don't think goal scoring goes to Jack.

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Yup. You and I have an different opinion on being honest.

TIL being 2nd in goal scoring in the league means you don't take over games.
40 goals is amazing. It's very close but 2 completely different players.
Even tonight I have barely noticed Matthews.
I'm talking about play shift after shift dominance
Go read the game threads of the other teams vs the Sabres this season.

Eichel dominated most nights.

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04-13-2017, 07:03 PM
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Matthews has 8 less goals in 60 less games and has always out produced Eichel. I don't think goal scoring goes to Jack.
Matthews is a much better goal scorer. No discussion

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40 goal rookie season is no joke

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40 goals is amazing. It's very close but 2 completely different players.
Even tonight I have barely noticed Matthews.
I'm talking about play shift after shift dominance
Go read the game threads of the other teams vs the Sabres this season.

Eichel dominated most nights.
Did you barely notice his shot on goal. I'm pretty sure he's the only player in the league with a shot on goal every game.

Either way there's ​no point in talking to you anymore as others have pointed out you have no idea what you are talking about.

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How about adjust nothing, because there's always an excuse.

"Adjustment for minutes...."
"If he wore a different jock strap..."
"If he cut his hair a little more, the ounces he loses makes him faster which correlate with his speed and release and if the hawk flies north and the win is due south, he scores like 10 more goals..."
the adjustments don't change the fact Matthews scored 40 goals


as a rookie



40


unadjusted

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Wrong.
How many goals did the Leafs score this seaon vs. the Sabres last season.
Season to season vs. team to team you can't compare.

Matthews played in a mens league last year, remember???

Can't wait for the Sabres to play the Leafs in the playoffs.
LOL you're trying so hard.

You've gotta be good enough to make the playoffs to be able to play us

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I will take Matthews. At least early in his career he seems better than Eichel at FO and on the boards. I think he will end up the better possession player. Eichel I believe has more offensive talent.

Its close between these two and I suspect it will always be. The AINEC remarks are really not warranted in this discussion.

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04-13-2017, 07:09 PM
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40 goals is amazing. It's very close but 2 completely different players.
Even tonight I have barely noticed Matthews.
I'm talking about play shift after shift dominance
Go read the game threads of the other teams vs the Sabres this season.

Eichel dominated most nights.
Matthews had his biggest stretch of the season in the final games to secure a playoff spot.

He went on a 9 game point streak


"most nights" is so subjective, both players have dominated "most nights" and also had plenty of bad nights.

They also play the opposite style. Matthews is a grinder styled player, while Eichel very much likes to control possession and create the goal, Matthews is the guy who scores it and creates possession


They aren't really comparable because they play nothing alike

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LOL you're trying so hard.

You've gotta be good enough to make the playoffs to be able to play us
Don't want to change the subject but unless the Leafs address their defen sieve needs
they might not make the playoffs next year. But that's a different thread.

Matthews is going to be a Top 10 player.

I prefer Eichel in a game 7. / thread

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The freaking 40 goal centre that took his team to the playoffs in his first year, obviously.

Eichel in his second year was 10% worse than Matthews in possession but a better PP player. Rookie years? Can't even compare them...13 more points, 16 more goals, Calder trophy.

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04-13-2017, 07:11 PM
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Matthews had his biggest stretch of the season in the final games to secure a playoff spot.

He went on a 9 game point streak


"most nights" is so subjective, both players have dominated "most nights" and also had plenty of bad nights.

They also play the opposite style. Matthews is a grinder styled player, while Eichel very much likes to control possession and create the goal, Matthews is the guy who scores it and creates possession


They aren't really comparable because they play nothing alike
Was that right after his 9 game pointless streak ??

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04-13-2017, 07:13 PM
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He's a strong player on his skates, but now are you saying he's as strong as Crosby on his skates?


Good lord.
I'm not sure what pat of "just about anybody" made you think I meant "everybody"

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Don't want to change the subject but unless the Leafs address their defen sieve needs
they might not make the playoffs next year. But that's a different thread.

Matthews is going to be a Top 10 player.

I prefer Eichel in a game 7. / thread

I agree with you somewhat on all these points. Nylander is our "Eichel" in a game 7 scenario.

Although i would prefer having Matthews on my team period in the event of a game 7 because he creates possession for guys like Eichel

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Was that right after his 9 game pointless streak ??
he had a 9 game point streak in the last 13 games


Every player has pointless streaks, what are you trying to say? Matthews scores impact goals and isn't invisible when he's not scoring. Give him someone else other than Hyman and his pointless streaks are gone because his winger can actually play offense.

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Was that right after his 9 game pointless streak ??
I thought you said "/ thread"?

Also if you want to get technical Matthews scored 40 with a 22 game slump. I wonder how much he scores without those slumps?

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Eichel for me. Both are beasts though.

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How about adjust nothing, because there's always an excuse.

"Adjustment for minutes...."
"If he wore a different jock strap..."
"If he cut his hair a little more, the ounces he loses makes him faster which correlate with his speed and release and if the hawk flies north and the win is due south, he scores like 10 more goals..."
There definitely are excuses, especially the bit you had about Bylsma 'likely' hindering Eichel.

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Matthews for sure, like his character better.

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There definitely are excuses, especially the bit you had about Bylsma 'likely' hindering Eichel.
Yeah, as a Pens fan, I wouldn't know anything about the effect of Dan Bylsma.

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Eichel plays a more beautiful style of hockey and will be talked about for generations long after he's gone.

That said, I'd pick Matthews if I wanted to win a Stanley Cup. He just looks like a warrior.

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Matthews, but its very close.

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Yeah, as a Pens fan, I wouldn't know anything about the effect of Dan Bylsma.
Adjusting playing time is an excuse, but complaining about how a coach handles a particular player, is not.
Guess we can go all day about this

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