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04-14-2017, 02:41 PM
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Was the Brassard trade an under the radar mistake?

Brassard finished the season with 2 more points than Zibanejad despite playing 25 more games.


To top it off Brassard is 6 years older and the Sens paid an extra 2nd rounder in the deal.


How do you think the trade worked out?

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04-14-2017, 02:46 PM
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On the one hand, I think we (Ottawa) could have gotten more back

On the other hand, I'd rather have Brassard than Zibanejad and am glad we made the deal

EDIT: will also be interesting to see what Zibanejad gets this off-season. Ziban has pretty well established himself as a ~50 pt guy and is only 24. Would expect his contract to be 2mil higher (maybe more) than Brassards for the next two years, which was obviously a consideration for the Sens.


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Brassard isn't a 40 point player, I expect him to put up ~60 again next season. He's also much more useful defensively

I don't think you can judge this trade after 1 season.

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It was seen as favoring NYR at the time. Ottawa had their reasons though. I wish Brass nothing but success in Ottawa.

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Brassard isn't a 40 point player, I expect him to put up ~60 again next season. He's also much more useful defensively

I don't think you can judge this trade after 1 season.
Brassard had his two best years with Zuccarello on his wing, that wasnt a coincidence. Zuccarello was the best player on that line easily. Zucc is a backchecking machine and top 10 in the league in takeaways while consistently scoring 60 points. I wish Brass(and Sens Who Are my favorite team in the east behind NYR) all the best but this trade was not good for Ottawa now or longterm. Zibanajad is the better player and Brass is not much better defensively, both are pretty solid defensively. None of them are great defensively. Said it when the trade was made that i had no clue why Sens did it... Made no sense

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04-14-2017, 03:06 PM
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Brassard had his two best years with Zuccarello on his wing, that wasnt a coincidence. Zuccarello was the best player on that line easily. Zucc is a backchecking machine and top 10 in the league in takeaways while consistently scoring 60 points. I wish Brass(and Sens Who Are my favorite team in the east behind NYR) all the best but this trade was not good for Ottawa now or longterm. Zibanajad is the better player and Brass is not much better defensively, both are pretty solid defensively. None of them are great defensively. Said it when the trade was made that i had no clue why Sens did it... Made no sense
The main reasons, in no particular order:
- gets us a LHC in our top 6
- saves $ long term
- belief that Brassard is a better player
- belief that Brassard is a better defensive player
- belief that Brassard is a harder working player
- French connection

personally I think Brass is absolutely better and a better fit for our system. Might not be a 60 pt guy but I expect him around 50 for the next few years with us.

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04-14-2017, 03:13 PM
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I don't think it was a mistake. Both sides were aware of what they were giving up.

Ott was sacrificing youth and potential for a proven veteran because they were looking towards the playoffs. Ott felt a vet would fit their team better for what they were trying to achieve.

And things are playing out for the most part as expected.

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Both won the trade.

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04-14-2017, 03:27 PM
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The main reasons, in no particular order:
- gets us a LHC in our top 6
- saves $ long term
- belief that Brassard is a better player
- belief that Brassard is a better defensive player
- belief that Brassard is a harder working player
- French connection

personally I think Brass is absolutely better and a better fit for our system. Might not be a 60 pt guy but I expect him around 50 for the next few years with us.
You dont save alot of $. Brass will still have a higher cap hit than Zib when he sign a new contract. You will save some real $ but not that much. I just dont agree that Brass is better, works harder or is much better defensively. Zib is also alot younger. I see your points but i just dont agree or understand it from a Sens point of view. Could easily have gotten a younger cost controlled LH shot center with more upside back for Zib. I want Sens to be good, big fan of them. I just dont think it was a good trade for them at all.

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I think Brass got fewer points than usual due to Ottawa's system as a whole.

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Don't forget the Rangers used the 2nd they got on Smith who has been their third best D after acquiring him and was the best defenseman in the Rangers first playoff game (Girardi a close second.) Rangers came out on top imo

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Brassard is a very very good two way player. Zibanejad is better offensively, but Brassard is fantastic possession wise. Going forward because of age you take Zibanejad, but it isn't terrible trade by Ottawa by any means.

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I don't think it was a mistake. Both sides were aware of what they were giving up.

Ott was sacrificing youth and potential for a proven veteran because they were looking towards the playoffs. Ott felt a vet would fit their team better for what they were trying to achieve.

And things are playing out for the most part as expected.
Did they really play out as expected? Brass scored 39 points in 81 games. Pretty sure all Sens fans was sure he would score 50-65 points. I thought he would brake 50 but not surprised he didnt because Zucc was easily the best player on his line when he had career years in NY. Zibanajad scored 37 points in 56 games this season

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Rangers won the trade overall, but I thought the Sens would have gotten more out of Brassard for this season. In 2-3 years it will look completely lopsided.

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I see it as pretty much the definition of a trade that favors both teams. They both accomplished what they wanted to. No one loses.

We can't just look at this as a direct comparison of player v. player points this season, or moving forward. It's much more than that.

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Brassard had a good second half after struggling in the first half... even if the points weren't there. He played really well with MacArthur and Ryan against Boston in Game 1. Our best line IMO.

It's not like we were going to win or do anything with Zibanejad being our complement to Turris for our top 2 centers.

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04-14-2017, 03:47 PM
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You dont save alot of $. Brass will still have a higher cap hit than Zib when he sign a new contract. You will save some real $ but not that much. I just dont agree that Brass is better, works harder or is much better defensively. Zib is also alot younger. I see your points but i just dont agree or understand it from a Sens point of view. Could easily have gotten a younger cost controlled LH shot center with more upside back for Zib. I want Sens to be good, big fan of them. I just dont think it was a good trade for them at all.
I really doubt Brass signs for more than Zibanejad, but who knows.

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Brassard had a good second half after struggling in the first half... even if the points weren't there. He played really well with MacArthur and Ryan against Boston in Game 1. Our best line IMO.

It's not like we were going to win or do anything with Zibanejad being our complement to Turris for our top 2 centers.
You think Brassard will make you win or anything? I bet there was a plan with Brassard.. but I dont see what it is yet. Brassard is a great player but at best it was a lateral move, and considering the age difference.. not so sure.

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Zibanejad is a passenger, Brassard drives the play.

That's the main difference between the two and the main reason for the trade.

Brassard is also a much smarter player, and plays quicker.

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I haven't watched enough of Zibanejad this year, but Brassard has really come on in the second half. Earlier in the year he wasn't driving the play, but he's been playing very well recently. Like Ryan, I'm not worried about his point totals. He's shown that he can drive the play and has done his duty defensively.

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You think Brassard will make you win or anything? I bet there was a plan with Brassard.. but I dont see what it is yet. Brassard is a great player but at best it was a lateral move, and considering the age difference.. not so sure.
Zibanejad is a winger pretending as a center so yes I think Brassard makes us better.

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Brassard isn't a 40 point player, I expect him to put up ~60 again next season. He's also much more useful defensively

I don't think you can judge this trade after 1 season.
Maybe if the Rangers trade MZA to Ottawa.

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Brassard isn't a play driving, while Zibanejad is. That's the big difference for me between the two.

Anyways, it's not even close to who's the better player this season.

P/PG:
Zibanejad: 0.66
Brassard: 0.48

PP + ES TOI/PG:
Zibanejad: 16:21
Brassard: 17:17

Brassard doesn't kill penalties.

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Yes it was a bad trade just like ottawa gave away Silfverberg and lehner.

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Brassard isn't a play driving, while Zibanejad is.
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Zibanejad is a passenger, Brassard drives the play.
I see we reached consensus here...


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