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Was the Brassard trade an under the radar mistake?

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04-18-2017, 09:27 PM
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Zibanejad to me is a huge dissapointment, Brassard is a much better player, down the line maybe it evens out but right now would rather have Brassard.

Zibanejad can't hit tht net, isn't physical, loses almost every battle on the boards. He can skate and is decent on face offs...

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04-18-2017, 09:38 PM
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Ottawa got hosed.

they moved the younger, more talented player and kicked in a 2nd just because they are sweethearts

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04-18-2017, 10:20 PM
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Ottawa got hosed.

they moved the younger, more talented player and kicked in a 2nd just because they are sweethearts
Lol literally no one who watches the Sens or Rangers believes this.

The Sens traded for Brassard on the premise that he was a big game, heart and soul kind of guy who takes his game to another level when all of the chips are down. And low and behold, he's lighting it up in the 1st round so far.

The Sens traded a young 50pt center because they felt he lacked the drive and consistency to be a core member of the top 6. He's a passenger with skills who won't hurt you defensively. Zibby has 0 pts and looks slightly more transparent than Casper so far in these playoffs. 13 mins and change TOI tonight. Until he learns how to use his body consistently, he's more of an enigma than a guy you build around.

The Sens got what they want, and the Rangers now see why the Sens traded a young 50pt second line center. The potential is there, but it's far from guaranteed that he ever figures it out. If he does, then the Sens might regret this somewhere down the road. But not today.

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04-19-2017, 02:21 AM
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Lol literally no one who watches the Sens or Rangers believes this.

The Sens traded for Brassard on the premise that he was a big game, heart and soul kind of guy who takes his game to another level when all of the chips are down. And low and behold, he's lighting it up in the 1st round so far.

The Sens traded a young 50pt center because they felt he lacked the drive and consistency to be a core member of the top 6. He's a passenger with skills who won't hurt you defensively. Zibby has 0 pts and looks slightly more transparent than Casper so far in these playoffs. 13 mins and change TOI tonight. Until he learns how to use his body consistently, he's more of an enigma than a guy you build around.

The Sens got what they want, and the Rangers now see why the Sens traded a young 50pt second line center. The potential is there, but it's far from guaranteed that he ever figures it out. If he does, then the Sens might regret this somewhere down the road. But not today.
Exactly this. Pretty much every Ranger fan at this point would rather have Brassard back. Ok, actually quite a few still like this trade, but I'm not looking forward to signing Zibanejad long term which is likely.

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04-19-2017, 02:23 AM
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Ottawa got hosed.

they moved the younger, more talented player and kicked in a 2nd just because they are sweethearts
Brassard actually plays with passion and is a playoff performer. Z? Not so much... I would take that trade back 10/10 times, brassard is the better player.

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04-19-2017, 02:40 AM
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Exactly this. Pretty much every Ranger fan at this point would rather have Brassard back. Ok, actually quite a few still like this trade, but I'm not looking forward to signing Zibanejad long term which is likely.
This season he's making 3.25 in real money and has a cap hit of 2.65 which will obviously go up in the summer. I'd say likely is an understatement. Can't possibly see the Rangers letting Zbad go unless another team offer sheets him to something over 6 mil.

I think he'll make something around 5-5.5 per year but the question is how long will the Rangers sign him for? Do they try a 3-4 deal or go down the road of a 5-6 year deal?

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04-19-2017, 07:35 AM
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This season he's making 3.25 in real money and has a cap hit of 2.65 which will obviously go up in the summer. I'd say likely is an understatement. Can't possibly see the Rangers letting Zbad go unless another team offer sheets him to something over 6 mil.

I think he'll make something around 5-5.5 per year but the question is how long will the Rangers sign him for? Do they try a 3-4 deal or go down the road of a 5-6 year deal?
Zib will not get 5+ million. Im guessing 4,5 million for 5 years.

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04-19-2017, 09:16 AM
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If only Zib could put up points when it matters in the playoffs like Brass is. The Rangers would probably be up 3-1 in the series right now with Brass and not Zib

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04-19-2017, 09:31 AM
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Well we have learned that virtually all Ranger fans would rather have kept Brassard, Ottawa fans with some issues with "value" or the second, but most happy with tradeoff, and then we have the usual crowd of Ottawa haters say we got hosed. Who to believe? I wonder....

I was always, like most fans, a big Zib booster and still like him as a player and hope he reaches his potential, but was too often left wanting more. Brassard, even with a low point season, is proving to be exactly as promised in the games that matter. Happy indeed.

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04-19-2017, 05:29 PM
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Zib will not get 5+ million. Im guessing 4,5 million for 5 years.
Guy could go for a short deal to try and cash in on a non-injured year. Sign for two years at 3mil per for example to try and get a couple 50-60 pt seasons for that 5-6million per contract.

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04-19-2017, 09:28 PM
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Another big game tonight by Brass. He and Ryan have been the best forwards by far in this series so far.

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04-20-2017, 09:18 PM
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Still a mistake?

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04-20-2017, 09:21 PM
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i only watched the OT, but Mika was flying. and deservedly got the winner.

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04-20-2017, 09:21 PM
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Zibanejad GOAT

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04-20-2017, 09:22 PM
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If only Zib could put up points when it matters in the playoffs like Brass is. The Rangers would probably be up 3-1 in the series right now with Brass and not Zib
funny you should mention that...

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04-20-2017, 09:51 PM
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Yeah really nice goal. That was a difficult play to make.

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04-20-2017, 10:05 PM
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(Sens fan with a Zibanejad jersey) It's a win-win trade. Playoff Brassard is doing wonders for the Sens, who also have Colin White and Logan Brown on the come up. Zibanejad fits better on the Rangers.

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04-21-2017, 05:07 AM
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Brassard has been in on 50% of the Sens offense, Zibanejad has been in on about 30% of the Rangers offense (both tied for the best on their team).

I point this stat out not because of the contextually inconsequential % difference between Brass and Zibanejad above, but because of the contextually consequential fact that Mika and Brass have both played key roles in getting their respective teams to 3 wins.

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04-21-2017, 08:20 AM
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Happy for Zibanejad!

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04-21-2017, 08:21 AM
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Seems like a pretty even trade.

Obviously, the Sens got the much older player but they have young center prospects on the way that can compensate. And the main focus of that organization has to be doing whatever it takes to get Karlsson to re-sign long term.

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04-21-2017, 03:32 PM
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Leaf fan here (who doesn't hate the Sens) but I thought it was terrible move by the Sens. Gave up a younger player with more potential and then added to it?

Turns out I was wrong, at worst this is even currently, and if Brassard continues to play like this as the Sens go further, then I think Sens get the edge.

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04-21-2017, 04:47 PM
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Awesome to see Zibby have such a great game last night. Will always be happy for my half-Persian brother from another mother when he finds success.

Unfortunately it's those games, the ones where he seems so engaged and comes up big offensively, that are part of his real problem; you know that he's capable of playing like Kopitar when hes going, but it only happens every so often, and is as streaky as they come.

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04-21-2017, 05:19 PM
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I'll wait until after next season to comment on the trade. Brassard has come up big in the playoffs so far, but he also only put up 39 points in the regular season. I want to see how he does next season and see if Zibanejad can break out finally.

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04-21-2017, 05:33 PM
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Zibanejad is a passenger, Brassard drives the play.

That's the main difference between the two and the main reason for the trade.

Brassard is also a much smarter player, and plays quicker.
I absolutely love Brass, but MZ is still developing and considering his age, is a much better fit with the Rangers long term.

I miss the three amigos- Hagelin, Brass and Zuccerello - they were fun to watch...

Regardless, I don't think you will find a single Ranger fan tonight that would undo the deal.

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04-26-2017, 03:30 PM
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Say Zibanejad scores 10 pts this series to Brassard 1pt series winner and Ottawa advances. Or say Zibanejad scores 0 points to Brassard's 10 points but NYR advance.

Who wins the trade?

I'm only bringing it up because of the whole "judge the trade on this series" topic coming up so much. It's pretty unlikely to settle the trade winner to be honest. Both my be invisble. Both might show up.

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