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04-18-2017, 07:14 AM
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I think there's no way McDavid produce short of 115 if Puljuvarvi and Draisaitl are flanking him 2-3 years from now.

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04-18-2017, 08:19 AM
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If a 100 point player isn't in his prime yet, I'm scared.

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04-18-2017, 09:42 AM
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I think there's no way McDavid produce short of 115 if Puljuvarvi and Draisaitl are flanking him 2-3 years from now.
Without rule changes? That's super optimistic.

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04-18-2017, 11:24 AM
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Like Crosby it's possible his whole career is going to be his prime. His peak i see around age 22-26. Those were the peak years for Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc.

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04-18-2017, 03:29 PM
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Looking at P/60 rates players begin to decline at 21-23? Show me like 3 examples, among elite players.
The idea is he just entered his peak years. and age 24 is often considered the peak for forwards due to that metric, this is the most cited post on the subject:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/3/1...s-age-analysis

That poster was just saying that I assume (not that it's all downhill for McDavid)

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04-18-2017, 03:38 PM
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Age 24 is peak point production. The young have all their physical gifts in pristine condition and are not hampered by wear and tear (let alone injuries: I doubt McDavid could keep his ferrari combination of speed and acceleration with several knee surgeries).

However, I wouldn't say that's the forward's absolute peak. Biggest reason is most young guys are brutal defensively. People think Eric Staal's peak was his 100 point season, but he was much more valuable as a 70-80 guy who could defend well (if he so chose) rather than a 100 point guy who was mostly cherry picking, and a non factor defensively if he actually tried.

The mythical version of the above is Steve Yzerman, whose point production declined while his defense and leadership became pivotal factors on an all time great team. The story goes that it was a conscious decision on stevie y's part, but methinks it was moreso the natural way of things.

And I'm rooting for Mcjesus to get 120. I think he could do it.

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04-19-2017, 11:01 AM
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I was actually just thinking of this the other day, that his prime would probably come sooner than most players due to his reliance on his skating. He's obviously smart enough to adjust once he loses a gear, but his skating ability is just so good that it's tough to ignore in relation to his dominance over his peers.

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04-19-2017, 11:15 AM
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The examples you are giving are due to scoring levels across the league, and not age related at all. How many players actually peaked offensively on a relative basis in their first 3 seasons? Let's see your list. Selanne and Crosby don't qualify just so you know. Beyond that you could argue Gretzky with his 92 goal 212 point season in his 3rd year, but he did score 215 4 years later and had a bigger gap in points over 2nd and the rest of the top scorers. The season after that with 183 was actually his peak relative to the league at age 26, as the next leading scorer (his linemate) only had 108. Gretzky however is likely the only forward in modern history you could argue hit his peak in his 3rd season or less. If you don't believe me, research it yourself and see what you come up with.
Gretzky best statistical season was when he was 24-25 when he had 87-118-205 in 74 games the pace was 94g 128a 222 pts that was the year he went 51 straight games from start of season with a point every game . He also played with shoulder injury 4 of those games during streak.

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04-19-2017, 12:09 PM
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You could make the argument that his prime will start/end sooner than most players due to his speed being such a huge part of his game and what separates him from others. He's the best in the NHL right now, it's tough to argue otherwise.
He's obviously more than just speed but it will be interesting to see how well he can make the adjustment from losing his current ++ speed advantage over others with age and maybe injuries. It's always possible he doesn't do it well, not everyone does.

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04-19-2017, 01:29 PM
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Gretzky best statistical season was when he was 24-25 when he had 87-118-205 in 74 games the pace was 94g 128a 222 pts that was the year he went 51 straight games from start of season with a point every game . He also played with shoulder injury 4 of those games during streak.
Yeah, McDavid could likely have his peak then as well. But not next season or the one after I would bet.

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04-19-2017, 09:44 PM
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If a 100 point player isn't in his prime yet, I'm scared.
Why would you be scared. Mcdavid will not physically harm you in anyway.

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04-19-2017, 10:37 PM
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Why would you be scared. Mcdavid will not physically harm you in anyway.
Wow, I'm thoroughly amused. Or not.

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04-20-2017, 04:39 PM
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I would say he's at his prime now. I could see Matthews and Eichel closing the gap and surpassing McDavid.
Im sure your objective opinion is right.

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04-20-2017, 05:46 PM
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At what age will McDavid enter his prime and what kind of numbers should we expect? 100+ points every season?
According to my calculations, he will hit his prime on April 23rd, 2027 at exactly 4:12pm. It will last 11 years and 3 days, and end at 5:54 pm.

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Yep. Maybe not peaking yet but this is definitely his prime.
Definitely not peaking...he still has a few aspects to his game to work on

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04-20-2017, 06:22 PM
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Gretzky best statistical season was when he was 24-25 when he had 87-118-205 in 74 games the pace was 94g 128a 222 pts
That was 1983-84, and Gretzky was 22/23 years old.


I definitely feel like McDavid is going to get "better", which doesn't necessarily mean more points or more scoring-dominance. I've seen his 'hockey IQ' increase during the past season. For one thing, he started doing more lateral movements in the offensive zone instead of just driving around D-men, which he could do endlessly in junior but not at NHL level. He's also still getting better at shooting from distance. If those two things continue to develop, he's going to score more.

70 assists in this day and age is pretty spectacular, especially because the 2016-17 Oilers did not exactly have a lot of snipers. If Draisaitl continues to develop and if another Oiler (I don't think Maroon is the guy) becomes a 35-goal man, I think McDavid will increase the 70-assist total as well. Having said that, McDavid needs to pass less!

Dude just turned 20. I wish fans wouldn't put such expectations on him. Just let him play. Enjoy.

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At what age will McDavid enter his prime and what kind of numbers should we expect? 100+ points every season?
that sounds like a question the entire American press core gave to Obama for eight years.. A bit of... let me count the ways I love thee..

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04-20-2017, 07:27 PM
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Hard to say, he could be playing his best hockey at 28 years old, but who knows how much the game will change by then

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27 year old seasoned cagey playoff vet McDavid is a scarey thought.

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Make the nets bigger so he can actually reach it.

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At what age will McDavid enter his prime and what kind of numbers should we expect? 100+ points every season?
Most likely 22-27 like most offensive players who rely a lot on physical skills.

Hopefully he blows things open a bit and posts some 100-120 points a season in there.

I'm tired of this boring hockey.

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04-21-2017, 06:01 PM
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I was actually just thinking of this the other day, that his prime would probably come sooner than most players due to his reliance on his skating. He's obviously smart enough to adjust once he loses a gear, but his skating ability is just so good that it's tough to ignore in relation to his dominance over his peers.
Mike Gartner set a a fastest skater record when he was in his mid thirties, the talk of McDavid losing a gear needs to wait a few years, like 15.

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27 year old seasoned cagey playoff vet McDavid is a scarey thought.
Imagine the thought of combining a rookie Crosby and a veteran Crosby, so it's super Crosby. Do the same for Mcdavid and then combine that Mcdavid with that Crosby into one god cheat code player.

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Im sure your objective opinion is right.
No, it's definitely subjective.

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Imagine the thought of combining a rookie Crosby and a veteran Crosby, so it's super Crosby. Do the same for Mcdavid and then combine that Mcdavid with that Crosby into one god cheat code player.
so like playing the ea nhl games on easy mode and scoring 21 goals per game?

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