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04-19-2017, 05:49 AM
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Do you consider Marty Turco to be borderline? He was truly excellent at playing the puck.
Turco was a top 5 goalie in the league for a solid stretch.

Has Rico Fata been mentioned?

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04-19-2017, 07:15 AM
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Sami Salo was known for his slap shot.
Sami Salo? I think he was a bit too good to be called an obscure player, no?

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04-19-2017, 08:23 AM
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Steve Tambellini could skate around and dipsy-doodle with the best of them. He'd deke three players just to trip over the blue line, pass to no one or have the puck hop over his stick. So much awesome... so little follow through.

Jiri Slegr had an amazingly hard and amazingly inaccurate slap shot. I think, towards the end of his career, he started getting it down below head level. I still remember him hitting teammate Jason Arnott in the face with a shot, and having the tv commentator say something like, "well, that was bound to happen eventually".

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04-19-2017, 10:00 AM
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Mathieu Dandenault. Really fast skater.

Sami Salo was known for his slap shot.
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Sami Salo? I think he was a bit too good to be called an obscure player, no?
is sami salo obscure? not now, but ask the same question five years from now and we'll see how well history remembers him.

he was my first thought for this thread too. i think guys like dandenault, rico fata, they were extremely fast skaters, but they weren't especially good skaters, like todd marchant or bret hedican, who could put that speed to good use. and they certainly weren't great skaters, like bure or orr or connor mcdavid.

similarly, jiri slegr: gigantic shot, couldn't hit the net. a skills competition type skill, but was he really an elite shooter? whereas sami salo had an elite slap shot. he got it off quickly and effectively, he could keep it low, always hit the net, just a great point shot. if naslund or the sedins found him open near the bottom of the circle and he had a clear shot, that puck was in the back of the net before you finished blinking.

on shooting ability alone, you could pretty fairly say that salo was just as good as shea weber or sheldon souray or adrian aucoin or any of those big PP shooters. but salo wasn't an elite PP player, despite that elite skill, because he lacked the all-round offensive game of a rob blake or a weber, and definitely he wasn't in al macinnis' league. so you defended the shot because the rest of his arsenal on the point was limited. i think that makes him a perfect answer for this thread.

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04-19-2017, 10:01 AM
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Is there an example of a borderline goalie who could handle the puck like Brodeur? I feel this is an obvious category we should have an example for.
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Do you consider Marty Turco to be borderline? He was truly excellent at playing the puck.
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Turco was a top 5 goalie in the league for a solid stretch.

Has Rico Fata been mentioned?
agreed that turco is way too good for this thread. i think the borderline goalie with elite puck-playing ability you're looking for is rick dipietro.

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04-19-2017, 10:09 AM
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First name I thought of is Yanic Perreault. I believe he's the best faceoff taker ever since they began keeping that stat.

How about Chad Kilger? Didn't he once shoot a puck well over 100 MPH in some team skills competition?
Kilger is more the kind of player who had some very good traits but one terrible trait which made him was he ultimately was.

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Mathieu Dandenault. Really fast skater.

Sami Salo was known for his slap shot.
Yep for Dandenault.

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Totally forgot Sheldon Souray.

He was a pylon in his MTL days, but had a bullet of a shot, hence how he scored 26 goals in a season.
Souray was actually pretty good defensively until the right to hook, clutch and grab was taken away from him.


Another who wasn't exactly obscure but who was VERY good at something that's a little random, but not so much considering it involved scoring goals and that he once scored 46 in a season : Brian Gionta is absolutely elite at batting pucks in mid-air.

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is sami salo obscure? not now, but ask the same question five years from now and we'll see how well history remembers him.
I guess it depends on how much one cares for international hockey. Sami Salo was a fixture on Team Finland from 2002-2014, to me that alone pretty much prevents him from being called "obscure" in any meaningful way.

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04-19-2017, 10:30 AM
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I guess it depends on how much one cares for international hockey. Sami Salo was a fixture on Team Finland from 2002-2014, to me that alone pretty much prevents him from being called "obscure" in any meaningful way.
fair enough. that was very north america-centric of me. and i for one believe that he was probably a top 10-15 defenseman in the league in his best years and probably would have gotten fringe norris consideration if he didn't miss so much time every year to injuries.

how about chris higgins? elite abdominal muscles. google it sometime.

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Pierre Dagenais could shoot the puck like nobody's business. So much so that the New Jersey Devils drafted him twice. I'm pretty sure he scored more than a goal per game in the Q one season.

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I guess it depends on how much one cares for international hockey. Sami Salo was a fixture on Team Finland from 2002-2014, to me that alone pretty much prevents him from being called "obscure" in any meaningful way.
Plus his bizarre injury history might resonate in some odd way.

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Andrei Kostitsyn had an elite shot and elite hands (and was strong like a horse).Could have been a superstar if only he had a toolbox.

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agreed that turco is way too good for this thread. i think the borderline goalie with elite puck-playing ability you're looking for is rick dipietro.
Even then, I don't know. DiPietro was a real good goalie made of glass. I suppose in 10, 20 years he will fade into obscurity.

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Dominic Lavoie had quite the shot. That's all he really had.
Interesting that this was his last season in the NHL. That hat trick where the only goals he scored that season. So he went out with a hat trick... (well... not really... that was in his first game that season, so he played another 7...).

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Teemu Pulkkinen's slap shot is as good as anyone's you'll ever see, but he's doubtful to even stick in the NHL. It was obvious all along he'd either be a 30+ goal scorer or a minor leaguer.
Brendl also had a as good shot as anyone. With an sniper instinct to match it. To me he was the sure bet out of the 1999 draft...

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Konstantin Koltsov was stupidly fast.

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Probably too obvious, but TJ Oshie as shootout specialist.
TJ Oshie isn't an obscure player. If you want an obscure player excelling at shootouts, look no further than Matt Hendricks aka "The paralyzer".

Kyle Wellwood was a below average player all around but had insane hands.

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He was described as a slippery eel on the ice in junior hockey. Once he got to the NHL you still saw it but it didn't last forever. Scored a miraculous goal in the 2003 WJC that made scouts salivate but I think with Wellwood he was probably just not strong enough to do it forever.

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Likely in the "too good" for the thread category- but how about Scott Gomez at gaining the offensive zone? One of the best I have ever seen in his prime.

Another one is Laraque at protecting the puck behind the net or on the boards. Seemed like no one could get it from him, though it rarely amounted to anything.

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Tom Fitzgerald. Icing/pk ability. Second to none. Never failed to clear it of the zone if he got a stick on it.
I also could be thinking of Gary valk it's been a while


Who is considered the best shot blocker? Craig Ludwig?

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Tom Fitzgerald. Icing/pk ability. Second to none. Never failed to clear it of the zone if he got a stick on it.
I also could be thinking of Gary valk it's been a while


Who is considered the best shot blocker? Craig Ludwig?
... well, the first player who really excelled at it was Bob Goldham (who many might remember from his long tenure with HNIC as a color commentator during the 70's & 80's). Played for Toronto, Chicago & Detroit in the 40's & 50's, recognized even all these years later as possibly the greatest at that craft/trait all time & remember, back then using wafer thin equipment.... With the advent of the Slapshot, Geoffrion, Bathgate, Mikita & Hull, by the early 60's not too many Defenceman or Defensive Forwards willing to try that on so for quite some time Shot Blocking a bit of a rarity however... with improvements in equipment, "body armour", its become fairly common, a Statistic thats counted, some Coaches demanding that every single player on the team be adept at.

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... well, the first player who really excelled at it was Bob Goldham (who many might remember from his long tenure with HNIC as a color commentator during the 70's & 80's). Played for Toronto, Chicago & Detroit in the 40's & 50's, recognized even all these years later as possibly the greatest at that craft/trait all time & remember, back then using wafer thin equipment.... With the advent of the Slapshot, Geoffrion, Bathgate, Mikita & Hull, by the early 60's not too many Defenceman or Defensive Forwards willing to try that on so for quite some time Shot Blocking a bit of a rarity however... with improvements in equipment, "body armour", its become fairly common, a Statistic thats counted, some Coaches demanding that every single player on the team be adept at.
Earl Seibert predated Goldham and was said to be a very good shot blocker.

Goldham seemed to receive much more effusive praise though. Could be that he brought it to a new level, or just that he specialized in it, as opposed to the all-around stud Seibert.

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Mikael Tatarinov had the mother of all Slspshots that's it

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Tom Fitzgerald. Icing/pk ability. Second to none. Never failed to clear it of the zone if he got a stick on it.
I also could be thinking of Gary valk it's been a while


Who is considered the best shot blocker? Craig Ludwig?
Ludwig blocked shots like they were going out of style. Who here remembers his giant shin pads? Nobody ever complained about them. Maybe it was because Ludwig wasn't a threat to do much else in the NHL. At least offensively. Defensively he was great. Just so happens he played on teams that thrived on the defensive side of the game (Montreal up until 1990 then more or less Dallas the rest of his career. Played a ridiculous amount of playoff hockey.

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Ludwig blocked shots like they were going out of style. Who here remembers his giant shin pads? Nobody ever complained about them. Maybe it was because Ludwig wasn't a threat to do much else in the NHL. At least offensively. Defensively he was great. Just so happens he played on teams that thrived on the defensive side of the game (Montreal up until 1990 then more or less Dallas the rest of his career. Played a ridiculous amount of playoff hockey.
and then in dallas taught everything he knew to richard matvichuk, who was also an incredible shotblocker, while paired alongside derian hatcher for years.

scott hannan was another especially good shotblocker of recent times. all these guys, though, were excellent defensive defensemen beyond their shotblocking abilities.

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