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04-19-2017, 02:32 PM
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Calgary has been missing a player like Tkachuk for years. Others teams hate him, but Flames fans love the kid. He has heart, ambition, and drive. Yes he's taken some penalties, but he's a rookie. This kid is gonna be one of the best pests ever. And I love it.
Replace heart and ambition with not giving a crap about the health and safety of his opponents.

The point of the game is to beat your opponents, not send them to the hospital in casts so they can't do their job.

Tkachuk will learn, but it might be after his teeth have been knocked out onto the ice.

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04-19-2017, 02:40 PM
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IMO they don't have a true #1 C, a true #1 D (Although they have 3 top pairing D), a true #1 G, are inexperienced, and lack quality depth.

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04-19-2017, 02:47 PM
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Replace heart and ambition with not giving a crap about the health and safety of his opponents.

The point of the game is to beat your opponents, not send them to the hospital in casts so they can't do their job.

Tkachuk will learn, but it might be after his teeth have been knocked out onto the ice.
He hasn't sent one player to the hospital! And this is rich coming from a fan of a team that had Domi on it.

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A brain and some maturity. This dirty crap that Thachuk started with this club is costing them games and distracting the entire team from actually playing hockey. Time to cut that stuff out and focus on the game.
What? Tkachuk is the last reason why the Flames are down 0-3 in the series or that they lost games in the regular season.

They just need to mature and get more experience in the NHL as a whole. The veterans the Flames have outside of Gio all suck and bring nothing but "intangibles".

When you have a 4th line of Brouwer, Stajan and Bouma making a combined 10 mil, are the worst line on your team (2 of which are supposed to be your veteran leadership) you're going to have a bad time.

Getting consistent goaltending that was good would also help as well as a 3rd d-pairing that wasn't a complete tire fire.
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The Flames aren't in that bad of a position as it may seem. They have outplayed the Ducks in 2 of the 3 games so far and if not for ton of bad bounces they'd be up in the series. If they get swept tonight, I think they've looked a lot better than they did in 2015 when they at least won a game.

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04-19-2017, 02:48 PM
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We also have a horrible cap situation in that we have about 19 Million spent on our 4th line and 5-7 D-men and they don't even usually outplay other teams scrubs.

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04-19-2017, 02:54 PM
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I feel their center depth is actually ok but I do think they still lack skill up front a bit. Need one or two more legit top 6 forwards instead of guys like Versteeg and Ferland who should be further down the lineup. Even Frolik who is very good is ideally a 3rd line player. A top line RW is their single biggest need IMO.

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A stronger 4th line and better playing systems. Maybe even an even more complex goalie like Kiprusoff was.

Though the Flames were never a team to be too flashy.

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We also have a horrible cap situation in that we have about 19 Million spent on our 4th line and 5-7 D-men and they don't even usually outplay other teams scrubs.
Meh, Brouwer is the only one that hurts. Stajan for one more year isn't that bad. I like how it saves cap space for Backlund anyway.

If we can fill in our bottom 6 and bottom pairing with prospects or million dollar vets we are looking strong. I think we can do it.

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04-19-2017, 02:56 PM
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Goaltender, Maturity, and a Better Top 6. Get those and they could get to the 2nd round.

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IMO they don't have a true #1 C, a true #1 D (Although they have 3 top pairing D), a true #1 G, are inexperienced, and lack quality depth.
Insulting to Giordano. Top 15-20 defender at minimum.

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04-19-2017, 03:02 PM
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#1 Defenseman
A legitimate NHL coach
#1 Center
Any resemblance of depth
A goalie that can stop a puck

They're in a pretty bad place as an organization

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Insulting to Giordano. Top 15-20 defender at minimum.
He's really shown it against the Ducks....he's a #2, maybe a #3.

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#1 Defenseman
A legitimate NHL coach
#1 Center
Any resemblance of depth
A goalie that can stop a puck

They're in a pretty bad place as an organization



He's really shown it against the Ducks....he's a #2, maybe a #3.
Haha


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04-19-2017, 03:07 PM
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#1 Defenseman
A legitimate NHL coach
#1 Center
Any resemblance of depth
A goalie that can stop a puck

They're in a pretty bad place as an organization



He's really shown it against the Ducks....he's a #2, maybe a #3.
It's not as bad as you think. They just need tweaking in the lines (Add a Top 6 Sniper to take feeds from Gaudreau, Top 9 player who can produce better than Brouwer was supposed to do), a solid #1 goaltender (Not a #1B like Elliot and Hiller), and maturity (Get the dumb penalties and dirty stuff out of their games) and they can be toe to toe with the other Pacific teams.

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All the flames need is a better goalie and some more sandpaper with their stars.

I really like what most of the forwards/defense has done. They have a few dumb dumbs (like everyone) and some stars that don't seem to be willing to go to the dirty areas.

They will be better if they can solve those both.

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Toronto is a match that could address the depth issue. Excess of young wingers with two-way games that are victims of the number game. Options include: Kapanen, Leivo, Soshnikov, Leipsic, Rychel.

Bennett is an appealing option for the Leafs, could fill Bozak's soon to be void at C.
You want Bennett? Take a package that has him as the main piece for Nylander/Marner.

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You want Bennett? Take a package that has him as the main piece for Nylander/Marner.
26 point Bennett?

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04-19-2017, 03:14 PM
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OMG, stop it with this **** Rainier.

This isn't a Leads or Bennett thread

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26 point Bennett?
To be fair, he did say package around him as the main piece. Maybe Bennett, Kylington, and a 1st for Marner or Nylander?

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OMG, stop it with this **** Rainer.

This isn't a Leads thread
He said he wanted Bennett and brought up a bunch of no name except for Rychel (Who is a bust) prospects. So I explained what we want from the Leafs for Bennett.

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#1 Defenseman
A legitimate NHL coach
#1 Center
Any resemblance of depth
A goalie that can stop a puck

They're in a pretty bad place as an organization



He's really shown it against the Ducks....he's a #2, maybe a #3.
I'm assuming you've never actually watched a team outside of the center of the universe, because giordano is very clearly one of the best defenceman in the league.

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04-19-2017, 03:23 PM
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It's not as bad as you think. They just need tweaking in the lines (Add a Top 6 Sniper to take feeds from Gaudreau, Top 9 player who can produce better than Brouwer was supposed to do), a solid #1 goaltender (Not a #1B like Elliot and Hiller), and maturity (Get the dumb penalties and dirty stuff out of their games) and they can be toe to toe with the other Pacific teams.

This kind of nails everything, just add one more thing a top 4 physical D man, can Stone be that?(although I don't think the Pens have a physical top 4 but they are still a elite team).

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The obvious answer is depth. Their top-6 forwards and top-4 D are as good as almost anyone's in the league. Their bottom pairing and bottom-6 forwards are sub-replacement level. Elliot is fine.

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a #1 goaltender.

One more quality veteran on their offense. Probably a quality defensive center on their bottom 6.

A veteran defenceman over Bartkowski.

Their series would be another story if they haf acquired 2/3.

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I think players like Jeff Carter and Bishop would work well. Slightly more experience and size to the roster. I think our D is ok, but a punishing Regehr type would be lovely on the back end, but not a necessity.

Overall though, I think it's just maturation and experience. Gully needs a dose of it as well as the players.

I'd perhaps consider a new goalie coach too.

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This kind of nails everything, just add one more thing a top 4 physical D man, can Stone be that?(although I don't think the Pens have a physical top 4 but they are still a elite team).
Stone's fine as a number 4. It's our bottom pairing that has been getting exposed.

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