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Calder Finalists: Laine, Matthews, Werenski

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04-20-2017, 06:19 PM
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I could have seen Matt Murray here too. But really was a great year for rookies.

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04-20-2017, 06:19 PM
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Laine.

He is a year younger and played fewer games than Matthews.
They are like 6 months apart are they not?

Also the fewer games played, points per game argument didnt hold weight for Mcdavid last year, not sure why it would this year either.

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04-20-2017, 06:21 PM
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Artemi Panarin won last year, as a 24 year old.

Age has no bearing on the Calder.

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04-20-2017, 06:24 PM
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Laine.

He is a year younger and played fewer games than Matthews.
yeah good call, I think the first and last thing voters look for is who has played fewer games. Wouldn't want to give the Calder to someone who was healthy. Although we must have different definitions for the word "year"

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04-20-2017, 06:24 PM
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Artemi Panarin won last year, as a 24 year old.

Age has no bearing on the Calder.
He also outclassed the closest to him with 21 points or something like that? Kinda hard to justify someone having a better year or being the "more proficient" rookie in that scenario... if Mcdavid for example would get say 70 points in 68 games or something like that im pretty sure he would win it

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04-20-2017, 06:31 PM
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Would like my guy Werenski to win it but it's gotta be going to Matthews.

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04-20-2017, 06:37 PM
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Congrats to all three players, all deserving and actually very close for all three regardless how voting turns out.


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04-20-2017, 06:47 PM
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It'll be Matthews, no doubt.

What a great year for rookies. It was neck and neck for so long and then Laine cooled off at the wrong time. During that time Matthews hit 40. It's his trophy.

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04-20-2017, 06:49 PM
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I mean, Laine had a slightly better PPG... its closer than people think.

But Matthews is the better 2-way, and his team made the playoffs.
Gabriel Landeskog won the Calder by a mile when RNH had the same amount of points in 20 less games (0.19 higher points per game for RNH over Landeskog compared to Laine's 0.04 advantage over Matthews with less points scored). Voters don't award you for playing less games. Laine isn't close to having an argument, Werenski on the other hand...

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Laine.

He is a year younger and played fewer games than Matthews.
Why not Clayton Keller? Youngest player to play an NHL game this season and played less games than Laine.

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04-20-2017, 06:53 PM
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Gabriel Landeskog won the Calder by a mile when RNH had the same amount of points in 20 less games (0.19 higher points per game for RNH compared to Laine's 0.04 advantage over Matthews with less points scored). Voters don't award you for playing less games. Laine isn't close to having an argument, Werenski on the other hand...

Why not Clayton Keller? Youngest player to play an NHL game this season and played less games than Laine.
I dont know what criterias they use but with all factors and the whole season is considered they all have good cases with matthews having the best one in my opinion. 40 goals seals it for me

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04-20-2017, 06:54 PM
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All 3 worthy players, in a great rookie class.

Matthews' 40 goals is an amazing milestone. The trophy will be his, but the others had great seasons too.

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04-20-2017, 06:55 PM
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Laine.

He is a year younger and played fewer games than Matthews.
No one cares about age, completely irrelevant.

Matthews wins because he is a complete player, plays with 2 other rookies, carried by NO ONE and is just in general the better player.

He is built for new age hockey. Possession, possession, possession. Game.... set...

Match...

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I dont know what criterias they use but with all factors and the whole season is considered they all have good cases with matthews having the best one in my opinion. 40 goals seals it for me
They have all had great seasons, amazing rookie crop this year but I wouldn't say Laine has a good case, there's not really a legitimate argument to place his season over Matthews.

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04-20-2017, 06:56 PM
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They have all had great seasons, amazing rookie crop this year but I wouldn't say Laine has a good case, there's not really a legitimate argument to place his season over Matthews.
Sure there is. Just ask the Finnish Five!

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04-20-2017, 06:58 PM
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Artemi Panarin won last year, as a 24 year old.

Age has no bearing on the Calder.
Didn't Ghost come in second or third as a 23 year old as well?

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04-20-2017, 07:01 PM
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Matthews.

2 way centre with beast like numbers. Easily Matthews.
2 way center he's got a long way to go before he gets two way out next to his name.

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04-20-2017, 07:02 PM
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My vote would go for Matthews. Laine is very good, but hitting 40 goals is huge milestone for a rookie in today's game.

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04-20-2017, 07:03 PM
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2 way center he's got a long way to go before he gets two way out next to his name.
Says who? He most definitely is a 2 way Center. Have you seen his defensive play in these playoffs?

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04-20-2017, 07:05 PM
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I was more impressed with Matthews than Laine, but only slightly. Matthews for me. And Matthews is very good in the defensive zone from what I've seen. Not sure what that's about. He looks like a vet.

Werenski would deserve it pretty much any other year...

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04-20-2017, 07:10 PM
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2 way center he's got a long way to go before he gets two way out next to his name.
He is a two-way center. His defensive game is developing just like all other parts of his game are. It doesn't change the fact that he play's a 2-way game. Matthews is fully involved at both sides of the ice. The only thing that will change is how much better he eventually does it.

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04-20-2017, 07:11 PM
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Nailed it. Canucks fan admitting that Matthews should and will win.

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04-20-2017, 07:11 PM
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They have all had great seasons, amazing rookie crop this year but I wouldn't say Laine has a good case, there's not really a legitimate argument to place his season over Matthews.
In my opinion Laine has a case most definatly.

Some reasons why

-3 hattricks (youngest player ever)

-Higher production rate (hit ppg midseason)

-Got concussed came back for a 1.44 ppg rate over 22 games

-Didnt go more than 6 games without a goal all season

-has among the best +/- on a team that has been outscored (i dont put much weight on this but it is worth mentioning)

-Has Led all rookies in points and goals for most of the season (even more on a per game basis)

So those are a few reasons here are some factors

-Jets were heavily injured especially at the start if the season which forced jets to play the rookie on first like with Scheifele and sophomore Ehlers which quickly became one if the most dangerous lines in the NHL

-He heavily outperformed according to advabced stats (i take this as a indication of how good his shot actually is)

-He has not been sheltered all season

-The dude came from a diffwrent country and had to adapt to a new culture, ask his countryman Puljujärvi how hard that can be.

-He has shown tons of improvement as the season has gone on. (This one is important to me)

-Youngest guy here


So those are just a few i could come up with off the top of my head. Contrary to popular belief he also plays defence.

Anyways if he has a case or not is subjective, to me he definatly has and as i have said multiple times i would hate to be a voter.

Being a rookie on the first line vs being a center rookieman centering rookies is the biggest thing to Matthews advantage. Neither is easy but the rookie line is definatly more impressive to me.

Id vote for matthews but Laine most definatly has a case too

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04-20-2017, 07:18 PM
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Whichever one is the good ol' Canadian kid!

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04-20-2017, 07:20 PM
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The right finalists. Congratulations to Matthews. After getting 40, he really deserves it. Was a close competition, though.

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I think Auston made it easier for voters towards the end of the season, even Lawless ended up siding with Auston.

Terrific year all around when guys like Marner, Nylander, Murray don't make the top 3 cut.

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