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Calder Finalists: Laine, Matthews, Werenski

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04-20-2017, 11:24 PM
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This may be the biggest runaway calder win in a long, long time.

Matthews AINEC here. I will be shocked if he doesn't get 100% of the first place votes.

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Yup. You can still see that he hasn't completely found his "mold" yet. But there are times when he's dictating the ice like a elite two-way center. I'd say he's more offensively orientated (as he should be) and will likely never be considered a two-way center in the same sense as Toews, Kesler, Barkov and Kopitar are. But not a completely offensive center like Malkin, Stamkos or Tavares are either. Something in between.
Sakic and Yzerman (although much later in his career) found that middle ground. So did Modano.

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04-20-2017, 11:31 PM
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40 goals says Matthews
Laine
Werenski

Used to be close, but then Laine dropped from ppg to .88

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04-20-2017, 11:40 PM
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This may be the biggest runaway calder win in a long, long time.

Matthews AINEC here. I will be shocked if he doesn't get 100% of the first place votes.
I'd be shocked if he does get all the 1st place votes. Not that he wouldn't deserve them all, he does. But voting usually doesn't go unanimous. I think the only Calder ever to go unanimously is for Selanne and the guy had to break some records on his way.

OV got close with 124 1st place votes but Sid got 4 and Lundy got 1.

Malkin got 120 but Stastny got 16, Staal 6 and Vlasic 1.

Belfour got 59 but Fedorov got 6 and Richter 1.

Nieuwendyk got 61 in a year where he lapped the field in a massive manner and still Sheppard got 1 and Wesley got 1.

Even Lemieux got 51 and Chelios 5, Penney 2 and Muller, Sandstrom and McPhee all 1.

I didn't go further than that, but considering the kind of campaigns these guys had compared to their peers and none outside of Selanne made it unanimous then I don't think Matthews has a very good chance either. He's going to win by a huge margin. But I'd be super surprised to see him taking the unanimous vote. He didn't separate himself from his peers in same manner as Nieuwendyk, Belfour or Lemieux did and those guys didn't make it unanimous.

We don't have the voting results for Bossy but I suspect he might have gotten unanimous vote.

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04-20-2017, 11:56 PM
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I mean, Laine had a slightly better PPG... its closer than people think.

But Matthews is the better 2-way, and his team made the playoffs.
And he played the whole season as a centre with 3 rookies. It's Matthews all the way.

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Yup. You can still see that he hasn't completely found his "mold" yet. But there are times when he's dictating the ice like a elite two-way center. I'd say he's more offensively orientated (as he should be) and will likely never be considered a two-way center in the same sense as Toews, Kesler, Barkov and Kopitar are. But not a completely offensive center like Malkin, Stamkos or Tavares are either. Something in between.
I agree with this. He has the attributes. He's an absolute puck hound, but I still see him leaving much quicker from the zone than guys you'd consider a two way center. He is more offensive than defensive and that's not necessarily a bad thing because he's a damn good player.

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lol you probably only watch highlights, you cant be serious
Yeah highlights would help me watch his two way game

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This may be the biggest runaway calder win in a long, long time.

Matthews AINEC here. I will be shocked if he doesn't get 100% of the first place votes.


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MacKinnon was also very close to unanimous. 130 votes. Palat got 5 and Trouba and Krug 1 each.

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04-21-2017, 01:33 AM
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I agree with this. He has the attributes. He's an absolute puck hound, but I still see him leaving much quicker from the zone than guys you'd consider a two way center. He is more offensive than defensive and that's not necessarily a bad thing because he's a damn good player.
He's a damn good player. Probably not a player you want to define as two-way center. Nothing wrong in that, most great centers are offensively orientated. As should Matthews be too. As long as he's not a liability on the ice I don't see a reason why he should focus heavily on defense. He's got the chops to be one of the premier offensive players in the league and if I were a Leafs fan I'd want him to be exactly that.

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Laine.

He is a year younger and played fewer games than Matthews.
Why would either of those matter?

Matthews scored 40 goals (kind of a big deal for a vet, let alone a rookie), lead his team in scoring, plays a better two-way game, and his team made the playoffs. I'd say those trump anything Laine has going for him.

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Honestly who cares?
How many Calder trophies does Crosby have?
How many Calder trophies does Raycroft have?

This one is Matthews' to lose and I'd be flabbergasted if he doesn't win, but this is not something to gloat over other fanbases.
Lol. We are talking about him winning rookie of the year in what could be the greatest rookie class of all time.

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Lol. We are talking about him winning rookie of the year in what could be the greatest rookie class of all time.
I don't know. Sid and OV? That's pretty hard to beat. Two rookies in top-6 in scoring. There are other great years too, but the top-end in -06 is just too much for this class to beat.

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Congrats Leaf fans on winning the Calder. You guys deserved it.

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And to think I was laughed at for suggesting Werenski deserved to be a finalist. But but but Marner!!! But but but Nylander !!! But but but Tkachuk !!!

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And to think I was laughed at for suggesting Werenski deserved to be a finalist. But but but Marner!!! But but but Nylander !!! But but but Tkachuk !!!
When was that? I mean, Werenski was heavy candidate for top-3 vote getter almost throughout the season. You're hardly the only one saying he belongs. In fact, he was probably the most popular pick after Laine and Matthews.

We will see how the vote turned out, it might be that he narrowly edged out Marner as third or maybe he handily beat Laine for 2nd.

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I don't know. Sid and OV? That's pretty hard to beat. Two rookies in top-6 in scoring. There are other great years too, but the top-end in -06 is just too much for this class to beat.
This year we went down from that all the way to two (U20 ones) in top 7; five rookies maxed out their ELC bonuses including two that had Schedule B bonuses negotiated on theirs, and our top 3 here laid havoc in six or seven Schedule A categories (of the needed four for maxing out).

That Panarin dude was news last year, this can't be a meh now.

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When was that? I mean, Werenski was heavy candidate for top-3 vote getter almost throughout the season. You're hardly the only one saying he belongs. In fact, he was probably the most popular pick after Laine and Matthews.

We will see how the vote turned out, it might be that he narrowly edged out Marner as third or maybe he handily beat Laine for 2nd.
Carlo thread :
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...light=werenski

Matt Murray thread :
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...light=werenski

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And to think I was laughed at for suggesting Werenski deserved to be a finalist. But but but Marner!!! But but but Nylander !!! But but but Tkachuk !!!
What? Even most of the Leafs posters from the Leafs board thought Werenski was a safer bet than those 3 players you mentioned.

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Oh. Matthews and Ovechkin have the same birthday, September 17th.

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Laine.

He is a year younger and played fewer games than Matthews.
so they give the award to the youngest guy who plays the least amount of games now?

Laine is 19 btw, and 7 months younger. 7 months isnt a year. if he was a year younger he would be in the 2017 draft

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And to think I was laughed at for suggesting Werenski deserved to be a finalist. But but but Marner!!! But but but Nylander !!! But but but Tkachuk !!!
what's your point? marner and nylander finished with over 60 points, they had incredible rookie years. they deserved to be finalists as much as werenski did.

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And to think I was laughed at for suggesting Werenski deserved to be a finalist. But but but Marner!!! But but but Nylander !!! But but but Tkachuk !!!
Marner and Nylander would be top 3 just about any other year, and there is likely many years over the past few they would have won.

Ekblad 2015 - 39pts
Huberdeau 2014 - 31pts (48 games = 53pt/82 game pace)
Landeskog 2013 - 52 pts

in this supercrop of rookies, there is absolutely no shame in finishing 4th or 5th

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Why would either of those matter?

Matthews scored 40 goals (kind of a big deal for a vet, let alone a rookie), lead his team in scoring, plays a better two-way game, and his team made the playoffs. I'd say those trump anything Laine has going for him.
agreed.

Matthews is gonna clean up the first place votes that don't come out of winnipeg

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