Will the real Flyers please stand up?--NHL.com article
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In all, the Flyers' players have combined to miss 287 games this season, which means they have played each game with an average of five players sidelined by injury.
"You have to give Ken Hitchcock credit," Snider said, "just for holding this team together."
Indeed, the Flyers entered their 17-day Olympic break with a respectable 33-16-9 record and their 75 points are just three behind the Atlantic Division-leading New York Rangers. Yet trying to get a handle on these Flyers is a difficult task. Are they the team that started the season 11-3-1 with a relatively healthy lineup? Are they the refuse-to-lose scrappers who went 11-straight games without a regulation loss in late December and early January?
Or, are they the inconsistent, underachieving team that stumbled into the Olympic break with a 6-8-3 record?
that article is also mentioning Umberger/pick for Jokinen... which i would definitely look long and hard at pulling the trigger on.
As would I, although I do like what Umberger brings to the team. Depending on what could be done with Jokinen for the long term, this might be a good move...and the pick doesn't bother me, as the Flyers have plenty to spare.
As a Ranger fan there is no denying that a healthy Flyers team would probably win the Division (might still do so), question is though, will you guys ever be healthy?
Umberger and a pick for Jokinen would be great, but Ottawa may try and go higher than that or risk seeing the Flyers, and Carolina get stronger. I think the Flyers may have to give up a little more maybe Stevenson as they like Vets down in Florida.
Umberger and a pick for Jokinen would be great, but Ottawa may try and go higher than that or risk seeing the Flyers, and Carolina get stronger. I think the Flyers may have to give up a little more maybe Stevenson as they like Vets down in Florida.
if the only roster player necessary to get that done is Umberger... we have a ton of picks to use to get a deal done. not to mention a guy like Potulny who could be part of a deal like that... the trick would be working out a contract with Jokinen after the trade seeing as he is what, 27? would definitely be worth holding on to.
seeing how people take less salary to play here i think Jokinen will be signable. I think he didnt sign becaus he wants out of florida, the team is going down hill especially if luongo leaves/gets traded. Imagine instantly adding that many points.
Ollie is a great player and I would do the deal in a second if we could sign him long term...but why would Clarke go after another Center (I know he can play some wing). This team is in desperate need of a natural winger, which should be our number 1 priority.
Why don't you stop using the old Philadelphia logic of "Must win this year", and realize that you two great center prospects in Richards and Carter? If you were smart you would want them to get top line ice time, instead of wanting to bring in Jokinen.
Why don't you stop using the old Philadelphia logic of "Must win this year", and realize that you two great center prospects in Richards and Carter? If you were smart you would want them to get top line ice time, instead of wanting to bring in Jokinen.
Clearly Carter and Richards are not ready for top line minutes...but yeah let's sacrafice a season just so some rookies can get playing time. The stupidest thing I've seen on these boards today.
To quote Herman Edwards of the then New York Jets "You play to win the game".
I guess you don't watch the Flyers much? Both are very impressive rookies that should share the 2nd line center role. More so, the fact that you don't understand what putting that much in a rookie can do for their confidence is funny.
I'd rather have either centering a line with Gagne than Peter Nedved.
Whatever, go on and dream of another Adam Oates deal.
The Flyers top three lines should be centered-
1.Fopo
2.Carter/Richards
3.Handzus
4.Carter/Richards
What your suggesting is bringing in Jokinen and saying to one of you two stud rookies, sorry you've played solid but you dont have a place on our team now. Smart.
These guys avg only a couple minutes less than Handzus, making them along with Handzus all 2nd/3rd/4th line sharers, and you call giving them a little more ice time wasting a season.
Now thats up there with the dumbest things said today, you show why Canadiens love Woody Paige.
jokinen can play wing.
put him up with forsberg and gagne. holy crap.
then richards/knuble are good together for the 2nd line.
we'd have two dedicated scoring lines. FINALLY. if this happens and jokinen stays long term (2+ years) ill be so happy. nothing out there clarke could do better before the deadline.
I guess you don't watch the Flyers much? Both are very impressive rookies that should share the 2nd line center role. More so, the fact that you don't understand what putting that much in a rookie can do for their confidence is funny.
I'd rather have either centering a line with Gagne than Peter Nedved.
Whatever, go on and dream of another Adam Oates deal.
The Flyers top three lines should be centered-
1.Fopo
2.Carter/Richards
3.Handzus
4.Carter/Richards
What your suggesting is bringing in Jokinen and saying to one of you two stud rookies, sorry you've played solid but you dont have a place on our team now. Smart.
BTW, Jokinen is over-rated.
Handzus plays wing now when Forsberg is in the lineup, and plays it well.
They had this problem before. The team started the year up the middle with:
Forsberg
Primeau
Richards
Carter
...with Handzus on Richards' wing. Handzus AND the line looked good. He's a great faceoff guy, most definitely you use him in key situations, but he plays most of the time on the wing when we're healthy. As well, I understand Jokinen can play wing (not that I really want him either, just logically looking at the lines and positions). Nedved also plays wing. So basically Forsberg, Carter and Richards are your centres and you pick which one of Nedved/Jokinen/Handzus play centre on the remaining line.
As a Ranger fan there is no denying that a healthy Flyers team would probably win the Division (might still do so), question is though, will you guys ever be healthy?
You get Forsberg back, Johnsson and Rathje and we can win. We showed that on the road trip where we went 9-2-1. Having guys like Nedved, Radio and Desjardins now back really helps us out big time.
I guess you don't watch the Flyers much? Both are very impressive rookies that should share the 2nd line center role. More so, the fact that you don't understand what putting that much in a rookie can do for their confidence is funny.
I'd rather have either centering a line with Gagne than Peter Nedved.
Whatever, go on and dream of another Adam Oates deal.
The Flyers top three lines should be centered-
1.Fopo
2.Carter/Richards
3.Handzus
4.Carter/Richards
What your suggesting is bringing in Jokinen and saying to one of you two stud rookies, sorry you've played solid but you dont have a place on our team now. Smart.
These guys avg only a couple minutes less than Handzus, making them along with Handzus all 2nd/3rd/4th line sharers, and you call giving them a little more ice time wasting a season.
Now thats up there with the dumbest things said today, you show why Canadiens love Woody Paige.
BTW, Jokinen is over-rated.
I've watched every Flyer game and if any Flyer fan thinks Carter or Richards deserves top line minutes, well then that is a little over hype. Don't get me wrong I love what they have done for the team this year (for the matter every rookie in the lineup) and I love thier upside. The fact remains they are not top line material YET.
Like I said you would rather give a 1st or 2nd line role to Carter/Richards rather then a proven vet who can score and has alot of leadership skill. To me that is just giving up...One of the main reasons why Philly has been top 5 in the league for so many years is because they try to acquire talent and put a winner together every year.
That whole Adam Oates deal is getting lame for every bad deal there was 3 or 4 deals done to help the club.
So I guess Carter and Richards at this stage of thier careers are better then Handzus and Nedved...
I think you are the one who doesn't get it...Rookies are good and all but come playoff time I would rather have a reliable vet on the csoring line then a guy who is oozing with potential.
>> Keith 
