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04-23-2017, 10:36 AM
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I am probably alone in this, but I still like Bednar better than John Stevens. hard to pin down why though, so dont ask.

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I don't have any faith in the Blake/Stevens duo, especially not when I'm looking at the state of their team. Stuck with long, bad contracts, old players and an empty pipeline.

Bad, bad years ahead for Kings fans.

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I don't have any faith in the Blake/Stevens duo, especially not when I'm looking at the state of their team. Stuck with long, bad contracts, old players and an empty pipeline.

Bad, bad years ahead for Kings fans.
A common side effect of winning championships in a salary cap world. Sucks, but agents get their players paid.

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A huge problem for the Kings, too, is that both Toffoli and Pearson are RFA's this summer. The players on that team with 4+ years left on their contracts:

Kopitar: 7 Years, 10M Per, 28 Years Old
Brown: 5 Years, 5.875M Per 31 Years Old
Carter: 5 Years, 5.273M Per, 31 Years Old
Gaborik: 4 Years, 4.875M per, 34 Years Old
Martinzen: 4 Years, 4M Per, 28 Years Old
Quick: 6 Years, 5.8M Per, 32 Years Old

Yikes

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A huge problem for the Kings, too, is that both Toffoli and Pearson are RFA's this summer. The players on that team with 4+ years left on their contracts:

Kopitar: 7 Years, 10M Per, 28 Years Old
Brown: 5 Years, 5.875M Per 31 Years Old
Carter: 5 Years, 5.273M Per, 31 Years Old
Gaborik: 4 Years, 4.875M per, 34 Years Old
Martinzen: 4 Years, 4M Per, 28 Years Old
Quick: 6 Years, 5.8M Per, 32 Years Old

Yikes
It gets worse than that: In 2 years, UFA Drew Doughty is going to request big money and they'll face this dilemma:

A) Sign Doughty to a Brent Burns-like contract of 8-9M a year and add him to the aforementioned list. By doing that, they basically have no money left to build the rest of a team around those 7 players.

or

B) Lose Doughty and lose all hopes of contending while all the other contracts are still up.


If I'm Blake, I'd seriously consider trading Doughty ASAP for youth (and use the haul to rebuild) and try to unload as many vets as I can while it's still possible. That's his only way out for a quick rebuild. Otherwise he should expect a long, painful death.

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A huge problem for the Kings, too, is that both Toffoli and Pearson are RFA's this summer. The players on that team with 4+ years left on their contracts:

Kopitar: 7 Years, 10M Per, 28 Years Old
Brown: 5 Years, 5.875M Per 31 Years Old
Carter: 5 Years, 5.273M Per, 31 Years Old
Gaborik: 4 Years, 4.875M per, 34 Years Old
Martinzen: 4 Years, 4M Per, 28 Years Old
Quick: 6 Years, 5.8M Per, 32 Years Old

Yikes
Buyout Brown (OR Bury). Trade Carter. Trade Martinez. Not that bad. Both Carter and Martinez would be fairly attractive.

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Buyout Brown (OR Bury). Trade Carter. Trade Martinez. Not that bad. Both Carter and Martinez would be fairly attractive.
Martinez is the most attractive piece. I don't know how many teams will pony up what Carter is worth due to his contract.

I also doubt they buy out Brown.

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Plant drugs into Brown's car at the border.

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I would give up a ton for Doughty.

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Martinez is the most attractive piece. I don't know how many teams will pony up what Carter is worth due to his contract.

I also doubt they buy out Brown.
Just assuming that you meant the contract was a hindrance. In all fairness, for a 30+ goal scorer (and 20+ goals for 5 years straight) @ 32 with 5 years remaining @ $5.2 and change, I would think he would be the most attractive piece of the bunch.

I would definitely take this guy off the Kings hands if they wish to make it under the cap. I would also get together a huge care parcel for a Doughty trade if they wanted to do that as well

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Just assuming that you meant the contract was a hindrance. In all fairness, for a 30+ goal scorer (and 20+ goals for 5 years straight) @ 32 with 5 years remaining @ $5.2 and change, I would think he would be the most attractive piece of the bunch.

I would definitely take this guy off the Kings hands if they wish to make it under the cap. I would also get together a huge care parcel for a Doughty trade if they wanted to do that as well
What I meant was he's worth more to the Kings than he is in a trade. I don't think they'd get the value back for him they'd require because of his age + contract, even though he's a 30+ goal scorer and big-bodied centre who can skate

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings find a way to LITR some of these guys over the next few years.

Gaborik seems like a likely candidate, along with Brown.

The others may have tradable value, save for Kopitar. If Quick can regain his form I wouldn't surprised to see someone still move for him, goalies have a long shelf life.

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I would give up a ton for Doughty.
What's the price (hypothetically) from Avs? Duchene + 2017 1st (assume its #1)?

Too much/little?

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What's the price (hypothetically) from Avs? Duchene + 2017 1st (assume its #1)?

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I'd make that trade every day of the week instantly

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What's the price (hypothetically) from Avs? Duchene + 2017 1st (assume its #1)?

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We'd need to take a cap dump as well, one of Brown/Gaborik. We would also have to add significantly.

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What's the price (hypothetically) from Avs? Duchene + 2017 1st (assume its #1)?

Too much/little?
Too little. Mackinnon, #1OA, Bigras for Doughty and Gaborik/Brown or something along those lines.

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Considering Avs would have nothing left after a Doughty trade, him bolting as a free agent in two years would be likely.

Avs aren't in a position to make any kind of massive trades like that, because they are going to need their depth to get them to a point where they can even challenge for a wild card.

There are no magic solutions. Just boring, slow, methodical work. Draft well. Coach well. Develop well. Treat players right. Trade well.

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Considering Avs would have nothing left after a Doughty trade, him bolting as a free agent in two years would be likely.

Avs aren't in a position to make any kind of massive trades like that, because they are going to need their depth to get them to a point where they can even challenge for a wild card.

There are no magic solutions. Just boring, slow, methodical work. Draft well. Coach well. Develop well. Treat players right. Trade well.
What is this illusion you speak of

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Wonder if the Habs will strip the C off of Pacioretty. Weber sounds like a captain in his end of year interview, and he's still a beast.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Weber became the Captain there but he's not a beast anymore. He's still good but not the level he was a few years back.

No idea what direction that team will go. They almost have to go for it given their core is in their prime but their deadline was baffling.

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The Habs are pissing away their Cup window in record speed. They now have to go for it immediately or they'll have nothing to show for anything.

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If I'm Bergevin, EVERYTHING in terms of futures is on the table. I don't care what it is, I'm going for it all next season.

The guy has to understand that his core isn't young + a lot of them require new contracts either immediately or very soon in the coming years.

Honestly, 1 Cup is worth 5 years (maybe more, maybe less) of mediocrity to me.

Someone a few days ago mentioned Dean Lombardi and how he "can win you a couple cups but will leave your team in an awful state" or something along those lines, and I just shook my head. I'd KILL for this team to have 2 cup wins in 3 years, even if it meant missing the playoffs for the next 10 consecutive years. The Cup is the ultimate goal.

If major moves aren't made in Montreal this summer, ownership should seriously look at firing Bergevin immediately once the season begins so that a new GM can come in and try to make the requisite moves to win.

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Here's the thing I cant understand about Bergevin. Maybe he's just a better person than I am and isn't selfish at all. But if I'm Marc Bergevin and I look at the current layout of this Habs team. If I look at how miserably I, and the Habs have failed in the last few years in comparison to expectations I would realize that not only is the Habs time to win RIGHT NOW and only right now, I would realize that my time as a GM is about as close to ending as humanly possible.

If I know the team's future is ****ed with or without Sergachev. And if I know I sure as hell wont be around to get any benefit from having Sergachev on my team. I'm trading Sergachev and whatever the hell else I can add to get a top line centre and give myself and my team an opportunity to get our names printed on the Stanley Cup before it all comes crashing down and somebody else has to deal with this mess.

Bergevin made one of the worst trades I've ever witnessed in NHL history. Sure lots look bad in hindsight, but I've never seen anybody get absolutely bent like that at the time of the trade before like Bergevin did trading Subban for Weber. His legacy is going to look awful whether Sergachev turns into Zanon or KArlsson. Makes no difference. You ****ed up. You ****ed up bad. Take one last shot before you get canned and never work in the NHL again. After making that Subban trade you already answered the question of when the Habs chance to win is. So go for it.

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