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05-04-2017, 11:23 PM
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You mean like Shaw? That backfired terribly.
they gave eller for shaw

the hell ur talking about

was a 3way trade

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05-04-2017, 11:25 PM
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they gave eller for shaw

the hell ur talking about

was a 3way trade
Except we gave up 2 really early 2nds in a deep draft for 2 very late 2nds.

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05-04-2017, 11:26 PM
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The pick is in 2018.

And the conditions are:
If Montreal wins two or more playoff rounds and Dwight King plays more than 50% of playoff games OR if Dwight King is re-signed and on Montreal's roster from July 1 to November 15; the 2018 4th round pick becomes a 3rd round pick.
Thanks, the fine details are interesting.

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05-04-2017, 11:30 PM
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Name a few players you think the habs should draft....

Depending on who's available, my picks would be at C:

Robert Thomas, skilled gallagher type player

Jason Robertson, big and skilled although foot speed is average

Those are my picks

I wouldn't go for a D unless someone falls who we can't pass on

my darkhorse would be Isaac Ratcliffe, 6'4 skilled winger, skating needs work.

Shoot your suggestions
That description of Thomas isn't at all accurate. Thomas is much more of a playmaker than a goal scorer.

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05-04-2017, 11:43 PM
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I always laugh when anyone gets completely anal about BPA.

A lot of times, the margin between two players is so small that drafting for need actually makes sense.
Need only come in to play when it is a toss up or else need is the reason why we pick a guy like Crisp... BPA available is subjective especially for us since we have limited viewing and we don't see everyone either...

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05-04-2017, 11:52 PM
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They also have 3 2nds next year so wouldnt hurt to move a pick or 2 for some immediate help. Although, this year should be a deeper draft..
People say that every year, and that's why we have very little up and coming young talent on this team.

We've traded top 100 picks like candy for years, and look at us now.

If help means another Shaw kind of trade, no thank you.

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05-05-2017, 12:36 AM
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Need only come in to play when it is a toss up or else need is the reason why we pick a guy like Crisp... BPA available is subjective especially for us since we have limited viewing and we don't see everyone either...
Well yeah. All I'm saying is that it's a toss up much more often than most around here think.

Ranking the prospects 1-2-3-4-5-6 etc. is misleading at best.

Sometimes it's more like

1 (clear #1 and 2)
2 (huge drop after 2)
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3-4-5 (can't really say which is BP)
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6 (just below top 5, but better than the rest)
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7-12 (another cluster, getting larger as we go down the list)
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and so on.

You don't skip on a group just for need. But within a group, you might want to draft for the position you need.

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05-05-2017, 03:38 AM
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That really depends on who's available. There are a lot of talented players who should be available at 24-26. I know no one wants a dman but there's a good chance that a D is BPA.

However, if you wanted to pick up a center at the end of the first, this would probably be a good year to do it. You're almost certainly not getting a #1 C, but there are a few names who I could see playing top a 6 C role for our team in the future.

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05-05-2017, 03:41 AM
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they gave eller for shaw

the hell ur talking about

was a 3way trade
It was two separate deals. One was two really good picks for Andrew Shaw. The other was two not so great picks for Lars Eller.

So we just lost value with our picks. Terrible.

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05-05-2017, 03:54 AM
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Who should? Like sombody said, as skilled as possible.

My feeling? Josh Norris. We have to continue our ties with the Wolverines at one point....

Norris has everything our brass will like. Great 2-way mind. Centerman. Going to Michigan for development. Bloodlines. Good size, great skater......the question mark, though isn't it for everybody, is upside... But I think that he could be more offensive than some scouting reports suggest.

Going with Josh Norris at this point.


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05-05-2017, 05:14 AM
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I wish for Kailer Yamamoto.
He may be small but oh man what a player

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05-05-2017, 05:19 AM
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My favourites

1st round:

Forwards:

Kailer Yamamoto
Jaret Anderson-Dolan
Isaac Ratcliffe
Robert Thomas
Aleksi Heponiemi
Jason Robertson (don't think he'll be available at our pick)
Elias Pettersson (same for him)
Lias Andersson (and him)

Defensemen: (don't want one in the first, but if one falls to us)

Juuso Välimäki
Erik Brännström
Cale Makar (very unlikely to be available at our pick)

2nd-4th round:

Forwards:

Morgan Frost
Mason Shaw
Stelio Mattheos
Jake Leschyshyn
Nick Henry
Jonah Gadjovich
Josh Norris
Patrick Bajkov (overager)
Alexandre Texier
Pavel Koltygin
Ryan Peckford
Ivan Chekhovich
Kyle Olson
Morgan Geekie (overager)

Defensemen:

Josh Brook
Henri Jokiharju
Artyom Minulin (unlikely)
Robin Salo
Jarret Tyszka
Jonathan Smart
Will Warm
Dmitri Samorukov
Ian Mitchell
Noel Hoefenmayer

Goaltenders:

Jake Oettinger
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
Jordan Hollett
Stuart Skinner

Rounds 5-7

Forwards:

Brett Davis
Ty Lewis
James Malm
Tyler Steenbergen (overager)
James Hamblin
Lane Zablocki
Skyler McKenzie (overager)
Ryan Hughes
Sami Moilanen
Matt Fonteyne (overager)
Matthew Wedman
Trey Fix-Wolansky
Petrus Palmu (overager)

Defensemen:

Adam Tilander
Cameron Crotty
Scott Walford
Dylan Coghlan (overager, really wanted him last year)
Jake Christiansen
Thomas Grégoire (overager)
Max Martin
Noah Ganske
Tobias Geisser
Simon Le Coultre

Goaltenders:

Dylan Ferguson
Olle Eriksson Ek
Pontus Eltonius (mostly just cause of his name)
Griffen Outhouse (overager)

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I wish for Kailer Yamamoto.
He may be small but oh man what a player
I want him so bad. We desperately need an offensive dynamo. I don't care how small he is.

I've seen him live 10+ times and he has no problem outmaneuvering guys bigger than him. It's hard to knock him off the puck when you're 10 feet behind him, eating his dust. He has some of the best puck skills I've seen in the WHL.

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05-05-2017, 06:02 AM
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Except we gave up 2 really early 2nds in a deep draft for 2 very late 2nds.
And until those players make it to the NHL, we won this trade big time!

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And until those players make it to the NHL, we won this trade big time!
What!?

We gave away 2 2nd round picks (Lefebvre doesn't suck! He just hasn't had any players since they don't draft anyone in the second round!) That were high up for:

A horrible, overrated, homophobic (suspended for a slur, so this isn't libel), concussion prone, bad penalty taking undersized winger with one year left on his deal.

Then before he even played a goddamn game for the franchise, got extended on a long and overpaid contract that is an anchor we will not be able to trade.

That is Bergevins second worst trade behind the Weber for Subban trade. We are paying Shaw slightly less than Vegas is paying Shipachyov who could have possibly helped out our abysmal center depth.

We lost that trade astronomically. It's honestly such a bad trade that Habs fans should vomit when they hear or think of Shaw. They should realize he's a Shawful player, acquisition and human.

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05-05-2017, 07:09 AM
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I wish for Kailer Yamamoto.
He may be small but oh man what a player
Love him too. Just think he'll be gone by the time we talk.

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And until those players make it to the NHL, we won this trade big time!
So that logic says that we lost the Eller trade for the exact same reason? That's how you judge a trade? If we give picks, until they reach the NHL, we win? And yet, when they do, are you going to say ''Well who cares...we don't even know if Timmins would have drafted those guys?''

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What!?

We gave away 2 2nd round picks (Lefebvre doesn't suck! He just hasn't had any players since they don't draft anyone in the second round!) That were high up for:

A horrible, overrated, homophobic (suspended for a slur, so this isn't libel), concussion prone, bad penalty taking undersized winger with one year left on his deal.

Then before he even played a goddamn game for the franchise, got extended on a long and overpaid contract that is an anchor we will not be able to trade.

That is Bergevins second worst trade behind the Weber for Subban trade. We are paying Shaw slightly less than Vegas is paying Shipachyov who could have possibly helped out our abysmal center depth.

We lost that trade astronomically. It's honestly such a bad trade that Habs fans should vomit when they hear or think of Shaw. They should realize he's a Shawful player, acquisition and human.
Shaw is heavily involved in the "You can play project" which encourages gays to play hockey. So your awful human being assessment is WAY OFF!!!! We've all said hurtful, words at some point in our lives, doesn't make us awful human beings.....

Awful human beings are pedifiles, murderers and rapists.....when I see these people in the news, this is when I VOMIT!!!!!!!!

Your 2nd round picks have done jack **** in the NHL and there's a good chance they never do. So until they actually do something, all you have is the prospect argument.

Funny you bash the Shaw signing who'd got a proven track record in the NHL with 2 cups and is 25 but will praise Shipachyov who's got no NHL track record and is 30yrs old.

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That description of Thomas isn't at all accurate. Thomas is much more of a playmaker than a goal scorer.
Where does it say that hes a goal scorer though? Gallagher type player as in he gets in the corners and works extremely hard every game. The gm of his team was quoted saying that he's a "coach's dream".

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Shaw is heavily involved in the "You can play project" which encourages gays to play hockey. So your awful human being assessment is WAY OFF!!!! We've all said hurtful, words at some point in our lives, doesn't make us awful human beings.....

Awful human beings are pedifiles, murderers and rapists.....when I see these people in the news, this is when I VOMIT!!!!!!!!

Your 2nd round picks have done jack **** in the NHL and there's a good chance they never do. So until they actually do something, all you have is the prospect argument.

Funny you bash the Shaw signing who'd got a proven track record in the NHL with 2 cups and is 25 but will praise Shipachyov who's got no NHL track record and is 30yrs old.
When did he start to do that? Before or after his public image took a huge hit when he got caught on tape being homophobic?
Also, I've never ever said anything that is discriminatory toward a disadvantaged group in an argument since I was old enough to know better. I've said stupid things but not since junior high have I ever used someone's sexual orientation as a means of insulting someone. Shaw has no character, he shows it with his words and his general disregard for his opponents where he cheap shots people all the time.

So, what is it Jaffy? Is Lefebvre bad because he had no picks or is he just bad because he's bad? You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. So if you're going to start renouncing second round draft picks, you're gonna have to start bashing Lefebvre and his staff. Gotta get it done. Also, our second round picks traded for Shaw have done the exact same amount for Chicago as Shaw did for us, nothing. Hard to see that as a huge win for us.

Shaw is a terrible player. I don't like him because he sucks. He was a passenger on a cup winning deal, gratz. He showed here that without Toews and Hossa on his line, he's absolute garbage. Not hard to see that but Bergy loved Shawzie.

Shipachyov is a cheap two year option to fix a problem that's been here since Bergy started. He failed again. I will take a skilled center over a third liner who's best assets is getting concussed and getting suspended.

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Shipachyov is a cheap two year option to fix a problem that's been here since Bergy started. He failed again. I will take a skilled center over a third liner who's best assets is getting concussed and getting suspended.
How the puck do you know this? For all you know Shipachev could be another DD. He was also a skilled center. How did that work out for us?.

Shipachyov is a skilled center with excellent on-ice vision. He skates very well and with a fluid stride. Owns great offensive instincts and likes to have the puck on his stick. Could improve his all-around game. Isn't overly efficient in physical battles.
- Ulf Andersson, EP (2013)

Sure sounds like another DD.

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How the puck do you know this? For all you know Shipachev could be another DD. He was also a skilled center. How did that work out for us?.

Shipachyov is a skilled center with excellent on-ice vision. He skates very well and with a fluid stride. Owns great offensive instincts and likes to have the puck on his stick. Could improve his all-around game. Isn't overly efficient in physical battles.
- Ulf Andersson, EP (2013)

Sure sounds like another DD.
Nobody knows it but if you ask me, what would I rather:
2 2nd round picks
Shipachyov for 2x4.5

Or
Andrew Shaw

It's really easy to pick option one. If Shipachyov fails, it's a two year commitment. You can make that problem go away and not worry about it. We drug the corpse of desharnais around for 4 seasons, Shipachyov would likely go back to the KHL and void his second year if he failed in year one anyways.

Theres no defense for the Shaw trade and no defense for Bergy missing out on a free cheap option as he continues to struggle to address the center position going into year ****ing 6.

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I don't have a strong enough opinion about a single player just yet, but I really want the Habs to grab a high-end offensive forward, and not one of these 'he's above average at everything' type players.

Guys that seem to fit that description in the top ~20-30 right now to me are (in no specific order):

- Nicholas Suzuki
- Eeli Tolvanen
- Ryan Poehling
- Kailer Yamamoto

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And until those players make it to the NHL, we won this trade big time!
Yeah, Dahlen and Girard are just as good if not better than Shaw already. The playoff warrior has done nothing for us.

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The Habs need to move up in this draft for any of these players;

Martin Necas - Center
Elias Pettersson - Center
Cody Glass - Center

or Klim Kostin - PWF RW/LW/C, talent with desire is the BPA.

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