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05-06-2017, 08:41 AM
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The OP called the prospect pool horrible. It's not elite but it's not horrible either. I'd give it a 70 grade. But you can go laugh. You seem to be real good at that.

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The OP called the prospect pool horrible. It's not elite but it's not horrible either. I'd give it a 70 grade. But you can go laugh. You seem to be real good at that.
Neither of your center prospects are centers.

That's why he's laughing. But also, yes our pool sucks.

We have good goalie prospects and that's it.

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05-06-2017, 08:49 AM
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Neither of your center prospects are centers.

That's why he's laughing. But also, yes our pool sucks.

We have good goalie prospects and that's it.
As I mentioned: exaggeration doesn't help.

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As I mentioned: exaggeration doesn't help.
It's not exaggerating. We have three good goalie prospects. We have two good D prospects and one maybe. We have Hudon and Scherbak who are being ruined and Bitten who may become a 2nd liner.

That's not good.

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05-06-2017, 08:56 AM
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It's not exaggerating. We have three good goalie prospects. We have two good D prospects and one maybe. We have Hudon and Scherbak who are being ruined and Bitten who may become a 2nd liner.

That's not good.
I count 9 prospects from your assessment. That's not horrible. I never said the pool was good. I gave it a 70. When I went to school 60 was a passing grade.

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05-06-2017, 08:58 AM
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I count 9 prospects from your assessment. That's not horrible. I never said the pool was good. I gave it a 70. When I went to school 60 was a passing grade.
From my assessment, we would be lucky to see 3-4 in the NHL. Maybe 2 making a legit impact.

That's not good.

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05-06-2017, 09:13 AM
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The OP called the prospect pool horrible. It's not elite but it's not horrible either. I'd give it a 70 grade. But you can go laugh. You seem to be real good at that.
Bitten's not a center. McCarron might not be. Both are unlikely at this point to have a major impact on the club. McCarron being the better of the two by a country mile at this point.

I would love for McCarron to become Brian Boyle.

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05-06-2017, 09:29 AM
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It's clear that we have a major lack of talented, offensive prospects. Especially in the playmaking department. I'm starting to have doubts about Timmins ability to evaluate hockey sense and vision in prospects.

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05-06-2017, 09:31 AM
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Bitten's not a center. McCarron might not be. Both are unlikely at this point to have a major impact on the club. McCarron being the better of the two by a country mile at this point.

I would love for McCarron to become Brian Boyle.
Bitten can play both center and wing.

And if McCarron can become a Brian Boyle type, I'd be very happy. But we shouldn't rush to label McCarron anything yet. He just turned 22 and finished his 2nd year in the pros. Boyle at his age was still in the NCAA. I do think McCarron should have played an entire year in the AHL without any call ups. But alas, it's not what happened.


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It's clear that we have a major lack of talented, offensive prospects. Especially in the playmaking department. I'm starting to have doubts about Timmins ability to evaluate hockey sense and vision in prospects.
Scherbak and Hudon both have playmaking abilities. And so does Sergachev.

But yes, Timmins/Churla may not be great at finding some high end prospects. I do however think they have a good eye for finding late round picks who work hard and make it to the NHL. But you need more than that.

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05-06-2017, 09:58 AM
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Bitten can play both center and wing.
I'm of the opinion that if a player can play center and wing.....the dude's going to end up playing wing. Maybe I'm just traumatized after seeing Galchenyuk put on the wing for every dude he's ever played with who ''could only play center'' including Charlie Sarault.

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05-06-2017, 11:02 AM
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Bitten's not a center. McCarron might not be. Both are unlikely at this point to have a major impact on the club. McCarron being the better of the two by a country mile at this point.

I would love for McCarron to become Brian Boyle.
Bitten's not a centre. He just plays that position in junior?

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05-06-2017, 11:16 AM
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I count 9 prospects from your assessment. That's not horrible. I never said the pool was good. I gave it a 70. When I went to school 60 was a passing grade.
The world juniors last year was a telling tale though, if we are to compare to eastern competition.. we had 2 players, look at some of the other teams depth pool and ask yourself if it isn't time for a change? Look at where a lot of these players were drafted as well.

Boston Bruins (5)
D Jeremy Lauzon Canada 2015 second round pick (52nd)
G Daniel Vladar Czech Republic 2015 third round pick (75th)
D Jakub Zboril Czech Republic 2015 first round pick (13th)
D Ryan Lindgren USA 2016 second round pick (49th)
D Charlie McAvoy USA 2016 first round pick (14th)

Buffalo Sabres (4)
D Vojtech Budik Czech Republic 2015 fifth round pick (130th)
F Rasmus Asplund Sweden 2016 second round pick (33rd)
F Alexander Nylander Sweden 2016 first round pick (8th)
D Casey Fitzgerald USA 2016 third round pick (86th)

Carolina Hurricanes (4)
D Jake Bean Canada 2016 first round pick (13th)
F Julien Gauthier Canada 2016 first round pick (21st)
F Nicolas Roy Canada 2015 fourth round pick (96th)
F Janne Kuokkanen Finland 2016 second round pick (43rd)

New Jersey Devils (4)
F Michael McLeod Canada 2016 first round pick (12th)
F Blake Speers Canada 2015 third round pick (67th)
D Yegor Rykov Russia 2016 fifth round pick (132nd)
F Joey Anderson USA 2016 third round pick (73rd)

New York Rangers (2)
D Sergei Zborovsky Russia 2015 third round pick (79th)
G Adam Huska Slovakia 2015 seventh round pick (184th)

Ottawa Senators (5)
D Thomas Chabot Canada 2015 first round pick (18th)
D Filip Chlapik Czech Republic 2015 second round pick (48th)
F Filip Ahl Sweden 2015 fourth round pick (109th)
F Jonathan Dahlen Sweden 2016 second round pick (42nd)
F Colin White USA 2015 first round pick (21st)

Philadelphia Flyers (9)
G Carter Hart Canada 2016 second round pick (48th)
D Phillipe Myers Canada signed as a free agent
F David Kase Czech Republic 2015 fifth round pick (128th)
F German Rubtsov Russia 2016 first round pick (22nd)
F Mikhail Vorobyov Russia 2015 fourth round pick (104th)
G Matej Tomek Slovakia 2015 third round pick (90th)
G Felix Sandstrom Sweden 2015 third round pick (70th)
D David Bernhardt Sweden 2016 seventh round pick (199th)
F Tanner Laczynski USA 2016 sixth round pick (169th)

Tampa Bay Lightning (5)
G Connor Ingram Canada 2016 third round pick (88th)
F Anthony Cirelli Canada 2015 third round pick (72nd)
F Mathieu Joseph Canada 2015 fourth round pick (120th)
F Taylor Raddysh Canada 2016 second round pick (58th)
F Mitchell Stephens Canada 2015 second round pick (33rd)

Toronto Maple Leafs (4)
F Martin Dzierkals Latvia 2015 third round pick (68th)
F Carl Grundstrom Sweden 2016 second round pick (57th)
G Joseph Woll USA 2016 third round pick (62nd)
F Jeremy Bracco USA 2015 second round pick (61st)

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Scherbak and Hudon both have playmaking abilities. And so does Sergachev.

But yes, Timmins/Churla may not be great at finding some high end prospects. I do however think they have a good eye for finding late round picks who work hard and make it to the NHL. But you need more than that.
hopefully with our 7 picks in the first 2 rounds this year and next we can bolster our prospect pool.

Its either that or we trade our picks and honestly i would rather a semi rebuild and acquire more picks. Because we aren't going to win with the roster we currently have and the only solution is to acquire players by giving up our picks and jeopardizing our future.

Its basically a lose lose situation at this point...

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The Habs pool is terrible. If you rank teams 1 to 30, the Habs would be between 25 and 30. I don't know how anyone can think otherwise.

The goalies and defence are the only things worth a damn. Even then the defence has question marks and there's only 3 that are worth mentioning. Forwards are nonexistent. If you mention Scherbak and Bitten, I'll just laugh.

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Neither of your center prospects are centers.

That's why he's laughing. But also, yes our pool sucks.

We have good goalie prospects and that's it.
We have some decent D prospects as well. Juulsen, Sergachev & Mete are legit quality D prospects.

Forward wise we're in trouble. Scherbak & Bitten....and...?

Yeah, we need to start drafting some quality forwards, especially centers.

Hopefully, a center is our #1 pick this year. With our 2 second rounds, we need another potential scoring forward and a D.

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The Habs pool is terrible. If you rank teams 1 to 30, the Habs would be between 25 and 30. I don't know how anyone can think otherwise.

The goalies and defence are the only things worth a damn. Even then the defence has question marks and there's only 3 that are worth mentioning. Forwards are nonexistent. If you mention Scherbak and Bitten, I'll just laugh.
Scherbak and Bitten.

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I would be happy
I would be pissed.

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I would be pissed.
Sorry? Pissed with Vesalainen? Why?

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anyone would want to move up for cody glass ? like give beaulieu with montreal first for the 10th if glass is still available or something

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anyone would want to move up for cody glass ? like give beaulieu with montreal first for the 10th if glass is still available or something
Not enough to move into the top 10. You probably could get as high as maybe 17th maybe. I asked on the main board and it would be hard just to try to get to 15 with that package.

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Not enough to move into the top 10. You probably could get as high as maybe 17th maybe. I asked on the main board and it would be hard just to try to get to 15 with that package.
you can add any amount of second they want Montreal have 6 to trade and maybe get a 7th this year to try to snatch palmu but anyway some have glass anywhere between 7-20 so idk I would ask every team while he is still available

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