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Habs Off-Season Discussion - Part III

View Poll Results: What does MB do to improve the C position?
Statu quo (Danault as 1C, Galchenyuk at wing or 2C) 26 20.16%
Galchenyuk as 1C, Danault as 2C 21 16.28%
Trades or signs for a 1C 48 37.21%
Trades or signs for a 2C 34 26.36%
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05-05-2017, 12:16 PM
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Habs Off-Season Discussion - Part III

Continue here, along with that Kovalchuk/Dadonov talk from that thread.


Vegas can be quite a team if they can get Dadonov and acquire Kovalchuk and it makes my hope go down that we could stick them with an Emelin or Plekanec contract to free up some cap space. Sigh...

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Continue here, along with that Kovalchuk/Dadonov talk from that thread.


Vegas can be quite a team if they can get Dadonov and acquire Kovalchuk and it makes my hope go down that we could stick them with an Emelin or Plekanec contract to free up some cap space. Sigh...
Could be a good way to have two factions develop in the lockeroom too though. Where there is a clique that speaks a language the other guys don't

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If Vegas can get Kovalchuk now, they'd have an interesting Red top line.
I see Vegas more interested in Emelin than Plekanec.

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If Vegas can get Kovalchuk now, they'd have an interesting Red top line.
I see Vegas more interested in Emelin than Plekanec.
Now that they signed Shipachev. I would agree. But there will be plenty of D available. Not sure about how many centers. Hard to know at the moment but the expansion draft is designed to expose Defenseman for sure

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If they signed Dadonov and Kovalchuck. They might be interested in Emelin, but I think Plekanec is a really possibility, if he's exposed. He'd bring experience and he's a good defensive centerman. So behind that first line, it could be good.

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If they signed Dadonov and Kovalchuck. They might be interested in Emelin, but I think Plekanec is a really possibility, if he's exposed. He'd bring experience and he's a good defensive centerman. So behind that first line, it could be good.
or they could find someone else to add experience and sound defensive play for a fraction of the salary.

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or they could find someone else to add experience and sound defensive play for a fraction of the salary.
He is UFA at years end. Which makes him a good deadline rental that they can turn into a prospect and pick. Depending on prices of course

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Why would Kovalchuk come all the way back to the NHL to play for Vegas?

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Why would Kovalchuk come all the way back to the NHL to play for Vegas?
He gets to play on top lines with linemates he knows on a new franchise that will probably paint him as a poster boy for the franchise. Where as if he came here I could totally imagine him coasting on the 4th line, that being said that was more of a Therrien thing to do, Julien might do things differently. But no matter who coaches him, the fans will burn him if he doensnt perform beyond anything they expect and they will expect 2004 Kovalchuk which isnt fair to be honest. He would be fantastic here but we need to set expectations if he does sign with a high pressure team like the Canadiens. Either way if he's honest about winning a cup then Vegas wont give him that in the next 3 years.

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Kovalchuk return isn't only dependent on LV or whoever. Devils get first rights. What does LV have to offer for a premier talent like Kovalchuk?

Not to mention Kovalchuk may refuse to come for a sign and trade.

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He gets to play on top lines with linemates he knows on a new franchise that will probably paint him as a poster boy for the franchise. Where as if he came here I could totally imagine him coasting on the 4th line, that being said that was more of a Therrien thing to do, Julien might do things differently. But no matter who coaches him, the fans will burn him if he doensnt perform beyond anything they expect and they will expect 2004 Kovalchuk which isnt fair to be honest. He would be fantastic here but we need to set expectations if he does sign with a high pressure team like the Canadiens. Either way if he's honest about winning a cup then Vegas wont give him that in the next 3 years.
Galchenyuk - McCarron/Hudon - Kovalchuk could be a good 4th line on a four 4th line team!

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With Shipachev gone , I guess we're all in on Hanzal...

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With Shipachev gone , I guess we're all in on Hanzal...
Was never a huge Hanzal fan but he's our best UFA center option right now.

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Was never a huge Hanzal fan but he's our best UFA center option right now.
Hanzal can be a solid #2 behind a stud #1 or a elite #3 behind a more balanced attack.

I think we'll be forced to be more of the latter since we don't have a franchise type center.

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I cared more about a C OR kovalchuk. Dadonov seems to have inflated stats playing with them.

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Hanzal can be a solid #2 behind a stud #1 or a elite #3 behind a more balanced attack.

I think we'll be forced to be more of the latter since we don't have a franchise type center.
Well with the centers we have, he would be our first line center for sure...

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Well with the centers we have, he would be our first line center for sure...
Galchenyuk will be a center. They're just putting pressure off.

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I like Byron, but he really shouldn't be in the top 6

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I like Byron, but he really shouldn't be in the top 6
Pacioretty-Duchene-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Byron-Danault-Shaw

would make me happy. With someone like Scherbak, Hudon, etc... competing for 3rd line spot.

Unfortunately, I just added a #1C without subtracting.

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Pacioretty-Duchene-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Byron-Danault-Shaw

would make me happy. With someone like Scherbak, Hudon, etc... competing for 3rd line spot.

Unfortunately, I just added a #1C without subtracting.
Lekhonen is meh on LW. Ideally he's the 3rd line RW.

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Pacioretty-Duchene-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Byron-Danault-Shaw

would make me happy. With someone like Scherbak, Hudon, etc... competing for 3rd line spot.

Unfortunately, I just added a #1C without subtracting.
Well it's Pleky++ for Duchene...

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Huberdeau - Tavares - Eberle
Lekhonen - Hanzal - Radulov
Pouliot - Danault - Gallagher
Byron - Ott - McCarron
(Mitchell/JDR/Hudon)

Leddy - Weber
Markov - Petry
Benn - Petrovic

Price
Montoya

Patches, Pleks, Beaulieu, 1st for Tavares, Leddy
Shaw, emelin for Eberle, Pouliot
Galch, 2nd, Davidson for Huberdeau, Petrovic

Sign Hanzal

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Considering we have 6 good wingers, not really surprising.

If we acquired him, it would mean 22 goalscorer byron on the 4th line or 3.9 million Shaw on the 4th line, which does not make sense.

I doubt we try to acquire Kovalchuk also.

The habs have two holes. The top center position and the left side of the top pairing defensemen group. The latter isn't too big of a problem since we still have a solid 6 defensemen + Price, and we have a guy who should be able to fill that hole in the future (Sergachev).

That leaves us the #1 center position. It looked like we fixed that hole early in the season when Galchenyuk was ppg, but after his injury, he just wasn't 100%.
There's also the fact that CJ does not seem to like playing Galchenyuk at center.

I still think Galchenyuk can become a top center in the league who can produce 70+ pts. During an 82 game stretch since the end of last season and the start of this season, he had 34 goals and 63 pts. That was while averaging less than 17 minutes per game. Almost everyone ahead of him had averaged 2 or 3 more minutes of ice time. If not for his injury, I think Galchenyuk would have finished this year with 70+ pts. He was following an almost identical path as Scheifele. I think he can do it next year, but if CJ don't see him as a center, then we still need a top center.

We desperately need to acquire a top center (Tavares, Duchene, Carter, etc.) this offseason. Shipachev might've been able to fill/reduce the hole, but there's too much unknown and risk regarding him.

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