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Greatest Forwards of All Time #7

View Poll Results: Who is the greatest forward of all time? #7
Guy LaFleur 14 26.42%
Phil Esposito 4 7.55%
Stan Mikita 3 5.66%
Mark Messier 14 26.42%
Howie Morenz 5 9.43%
Mike Bossy 4 7.55%
Bobby Clarke 3 5.66%
Jaromir Jagr 3 5.66%
Steve Yzerman 3 5.66%
Bryan Trottier 0 0%
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02-22-2006, 07:18 PM
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Greatest Forwards of All Time #7

Bobby Hull just won with one vote. It was a very close race between him and Messier. Trottier will be added and say who you want added next as well. I vote for Guy LaFleur add Ted Lindsay.

#1 Gretzky(64.71%)
#2 Lemieux(63.77%)
#3 Howe(63.41%)
#4 Richard(31.58%)
#5 Beliveau(53.49%)
#6 Hull(28.81%)

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Bobby Hull just won with one vote. It was a very close race between him and Messier. Trottier will be added and say who you want added next as well. I vote for Guy LaFleur add Ted Lindsay.

#1 Gretzky(64.71%)
#2 Lemieux(63.77%)
#3 Howe(63.41%)
#4 Richard(31.58%)
#5 Beliveau(53.49%)
#6 Hull(28.81%)
Agree with adding Lindsay. Time for one of the top 2 LWs of all time to be added.

PS: Is Red Kelly to be counted as a forward or a defenceman?

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02-22-2006, 07:26 PM
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Agree with adding Lindsay. Time for one of the top 2 LWs of all time to be added.

PS: Is Red Kelly to be counted as a forward or a defenceman?
I would count him as a defenceman. I was thinking about that when I started doing this poll and his best years were when he was a defenceman. Since this is the best forwards of all time I don't think he should be added.

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02-22-2006, 08:41 PM
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Dunno why, but I had to go with good ol' Howie Morenz. I figure that The Flower will win this round.

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Dunno why, but I had to go with good ol' Howie Morenz. I figure that The Flower will win this round.
Nah I think Mr. Overrated Mark Messier will win it.

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Nah I think Mr. Overrated Mark Messier will win it.
If people gain an understanding of strategic voting and pick LaFleur (even if they think Espo, Mikita, Trotts, Morenz or Clarke) was better, then Guy has a pretty good shot.

I'd definitely take Guy over Messier.

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If people gain an understanding of strategic voting and pick LaFleur (even if they think Espo, Mikita, Trotts, Morenz or Clarke) was better, then Guy has a pretty good shot.

I'd definitely take Guy over Messier.
That's what I'm doing, but I don't know how many others will use that strategy. In my opinion Morenz is the best player on this list, but I think LaFleur is much more deserving than Messier. So I'll wait a bit before casting my vote. If LaFleur and Messier are close, I'll vote for Guy. Otherwise I'll vote for Morenz.

Edit: add Ted Lindsay and his 600 stitches


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Mikita add Dionne

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That's what I'm doing, but I don't know how many others will use that strategy. In my opinion Morenz is the best player on this list, but I think LaFleur is much more deserving than Messier. So I'll wait a bit before casting my vote. If LaFleur and Messier are close, I'll vote for Guy. Otherwise I'll vote for Morenz.

Edit: add Ted Lindsay and his 600 stitches
I actually did that the last time with Bobby Hull. Not that Hull is a bad pick for No. 6, he's likely the best LW ever and probably had the best shot in the history of the game. A much better pick than Messier, though. But I actually would have gone with Espo. (Leadership being the tie-breaker in a battle between two of the best goal scorers ever). That's why I didn't say who I would vote when I suggested adding Terrible Ted.

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Nah I think Mr. Overrated Mark Messier will win it.

can't we vote for and exalt our own heroes without calling down the favorites of others??

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Voted Morenz. I don't want to see that guy behing Mark Messier. I would be a pretty big stain on a list that's so well started.

Add Terrible Ted.

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can't we vote for and exalt our own heroes without calling down the favorites of others??
Yes Bucky but people actually compared the Moose to guys like Gretzky and Lemieux saying Messier was in their league and some even went as far as saying he's the best forward ever and Lafleur wasn't even close. If that's not overrating I dont know what is.

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If people gain an understanding of strategic voting and pick LaFleur (even if they think Espo, Mikita, Trotts, Morenz or Clarke) was better, then Guy has a pretty good shot.

I'd definitely take Guy over Messier.
By the way.. I replied to what you said in the Kovalev thread a few days ago but you never answered?

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Espo, add Francis.

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Voted for the Moose for the third time in a row.

Add Ted Lindsay.

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That's what I'm doing, but I don't know how many others will use that strategy. In my opinion Morenz is the best player on this list, but I think LaFleur is much more deserving than Messier. So I'll wait a bit before casting my vote. If LaFleur and Messier are close, I'll vote for Guy. Otherwise I'll vote for Morenz.

Edit: add Ted Lindsay and his 600 stitches
Good strategy. Messier almost beat Hull in the last round which would have been a complete travesty. Personally I think Hull belonged in the top four. I like Morenz but am going to wait to vote as there are at least 3 players on this list better than Messier.

Add lindsay.

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can't we vote for and exalt our own heroes without calling down the favorites of others??
Well, this is the man who started the Lafleur is as good as Gretzky debate...

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Yes Bucky but people actually compared the Moose to guys like Gretzky and Lemieux saying Messier was in their league and some even went as far as saying he's the best forward ever and Lafleur wasn't even close. If that's not overrating I dont know what is.
I'm gonna' have to agree here...

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I'm gonna' have to agree here...

With all due respect, I understand how the so called 'mystique' associated with Messier became so overblown with the 94 'guarantee'.

However, this man was also dominant on the ice for many years before that window in time. Messier had the ability to will a team to victory. When the talented team that was destined to be bridesmades fonally sealed the deal, it was Messier, not his great team mate who led the way.By the time you were eight, he'd been in the league fourteen years and accomplished MUCH MORE than that one overdone playoff.

I think just much of a problem to Mess is that he chose to play so many years beyond his prime, when yes, he was fractional to the player he once was. Oddly, we don't punish GOrdie Howe's memory for that last turn round the ice at age 52, or lower our rating of Guy Lafleur for those 2 seasons in Quebec, (especially the 2nd when he didn't take part in road games ). For some reason, Mess seems to be responsible to pay a toll for loving the game and for the hype and mystique the media cast over him... Others face no such demerits and I find it odd.

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Messier was great, that cannot be disputed. How great is the dispute.

Being a huge Oilers fan and a huge Messier fan, I am biased but I will say that Messier is overrated by many people.

He is not in the Gretzky/Howe/Lemieux category. Messier is the 25th greatest forward of all time and the 34th greatest player overall. (Not including goaltenders)

There is tremendous hype surrounding this legend, blowing his percieved place in history out of proportion.

Love Mess but, I gotta call it like it is.

You should add Bill Cowley, Andy Bathgate, Ted Kennedy, Syl Apps Sr, Babe Dye, Elmer Lach, Cy Denneny, Milt Schmidt and Nels Stewart to the list.


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He is not in the Gretzky/Howe/Lemieux category.
I agree with many of your points Bucky, but this quote is basically what I'm not going to agree to. I din't think you are trying to insinuate that, but Kovalev mentioned that it had been previously said.

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Messier is a top 10 player..nuff said.

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I voted Clarke. I am surprised he didn't get more votes form others. He was so dominant in his prime. I'll keep voting for him until he wins in 2-4 more rounds.

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I voted Clarke. I am surprised he didn't get more votes form others. He was so dominant in his prime. I'll keep voting for him until he wins in 2-4 more rounds.
Yep Clarke is better then Lafleur and Messier

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Messier is a top 10 player..nuff said.
I respect your opinion but, I would also like to hear your reasons for placing hin in the top 10.

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